I just got home. On the way home from work, I went to two different stores, and was in my home town, several blocks from HOME. I got pulled over, which is in and of itself not that big a deal.
I have a permit in my state (PA), and i open carry sometimes, and other times I concealed carry. Hey, depends on my mood. since i have the permit, when i am open carrying, I dont sweat driving OCing.
the routine traffic stop went politely, but... my REVOLVER was not RETURNED to me!
The 2 young cops claim that "the radio" says the gun is not in "my name", and tell me some name i NEVER heard of before... therefore, they have to CONFISCATE it, and when i find my "paperwork" i can have my gun back.
no fine, no arrest, nothing... but they confiscated my revolver!
Now, I bought the revolver legally, at a long time gun shop, that has been there for decades.
They were going to DRIVE AWAY with my gun, without even giving me any paperwork for taking it! I realized I didnt even know their NAMES! (I politely demanded some kind of paperwork). I follwed them down to the statio, and I got a generic wallet sized "RECEIPT", the sort of thing you buy at a department store on a pad, it doesnt even have any department LETTERHEAD ON IT.
I had to ask him to ALSO write down both of their names and ranks (he did)
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they were both polite, I was very polite... but, they still kind of pulled me over, no fine, no arrest... and were proceeding to DRIVE OFF with my gun, without even giving me any piece of paper for it at all.
as my LUCK would have it, i can find "paperwork" for at least a DOZEN other guns i have bought over the years, naturally not the "paperwork" on THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
THEY are claiming that "the shop" must have "not filed the paperwork correctly" (which i dont believe is MY problem, personally) but my questions are legion, naturally. WHAT the &^%$ happens if i go back to the SHOP, and they dont prpovide me with "paperwork" on MY GUN I BOUGHT LEGALLY AT A GUN SHOP?
I NEVER get my gun back?
I have been in and out of work off and on for the last couple of years, money is TIGHT, I cant even THINK about hiring an attorney if i would have to... and I am beginnign to "feel like" I just got robbed (well, sort of, YOU know what I mean)
I told them I wasnt MAD, but that i found this all "highly irregular".
PS - they DID SAY that the gun didnt "come back stolen" on the radio, but, since it didnt "come back in my name" they are required to conficate it until i "prove" its really "mine".
somewhere along the line during all this, one of them started to "schmooze" me into how they "had to" search the entire vehicle... I told the one that said that, very politely, that "whatever, but, please dont get the idea that I am CONSENTING to any more searches or anything if i dont have to"...
i figured if he was trying the "schmooze" tactic of getting "consent" I would politely say "no". (its a common tactic, whrer the motorist is left the IMPRESSION he HAS TO have the search, but in reality, they are trying to "sweet talk" you INTO consenting it.
somehow, they ended up NOT searching the "entire car", they seemed to have gotten sidetracked when their crystal ball (the radio, lol) says the gun isnt in my name...
PPS - heres a funy joke? TECH-nically, there is "no gun registration database" in PA... the state police just HAPPENS to maintain an "incomplete list" of "some sales"... well, if there TECHnically is NOT a "database of gun ownership"... exactly WHO or WHAT is being contacted on the RADIO, huh? LMAO... and to such an extent if the gun does not "come back in your name" it needs to be confiscated?
I am of the OPINION, that if the gun doesnt come back STOLEN, and i have a carry permit anyways, it should be immediately returned to me, no matter WHAT the "radio says" (which is wrong)
under these auspices? ANY time you pull ANYONE over, you can just "claim" the radio says its not your gun, and you confiscate it! I feel "lucky" i was able to talk them into a generic "IOU" that does not look like anythiing OFFICIAL saying they have my GUN!
something about this doesnt smell "legal" to me, but, i am not a lawyer...
I have a permit in my state (PA), and i open carry sometimes, and other times I concealed carry. Hey, depends on my mood. since i have the permit, when i am open carrying, I dont sweat driving OCing.
the routine traffic stop went politely, but... my REVOLVER was not RETURNED to me!
The 2 young cops claim that "the radio" says the gun is not in "my name", and tell me some name i NEVER heard of before... therefore, they have to CONFISCATE it, and when i find my "paperwork" i can have my gun back.
no fine, no arrest, nothing... but they confiscated my revolver!
Now, I bought the revolver legally, at a long time gun shop, that has been there for decades.
They were going to DRIVE AWAY with my gun, without even giving me any paperwork for taking it! I realized I didnt even know their NAMES! (I politely demanded some kind of paperwork). I follwed them down to the statio, and I got a generic wallet sized "RECEIPT", the sort of thing you buy at a department store on a pad, it doesnt even have any department LETTERHEAD ON IT.
I had to ask him to ALSO write down both of their names and ranks (he did)
===============================================================================================
they were both polite, I was very polite... but, they still kind of pulled me over, no fine, no arrest... and were proceeding to DRIVE OFF with my gun, without even giving me any piece of paper for it at all.
as my LUCK would have it, i can find "paperwork" for at least a DOZEN other guns i have bought over the years, naturally not the "paperwork" on THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
THEY are claiming that "the shop" must have "not filed the paperwork correctly" (which i dont believe is MY problem, personally) but my questions are legion, naturally. WHAT the &^%$ happens if i go back to the SHOP, and they dont prpovide me with "paperwork" on MY GUN I BOUGHT LEGALLY AT A GUN SHOP?
I NEVER get my gun back?
I have been in and out of work off and on for the last couple of years, money is TIGHT, I cant even THINK about hiring an attorney if i would have to... and I am beginnign to "feel like" I just got robbed (well, sort of, YOU know what I mean)
I told them I wasnt MAD, but that i found this all "highly irregular".
PS - they DID SAY that the gun didnt "come back stolen" on the radio, but, since it didnt "come back in my name" they are required to conficate it until i "prove" its really "mine".
somewhere along the line during all this, one of them started to "schmooze" me into how they "had to" search the entire vehicle... I told the one that said that, very politely, that "whatever, but, please dont get the idea that I am CONSENTING to any more searches or anything if i dont have to"...
i figured if he was trying the "schmooze" tactic of getting "consent" I would politely say "no". (its a common tactic, whrer the motorist is left the IMPRESSION he HAS TO have the search, but in reality, they are trying to "sweet talk" you INTO consenting it.
somehow, they ended up NOT searching the "entire car", they seemed to have gotten sidetracked when their crystal ball (the radio, lol) says the gun isnt in my name...
PPS - heres a funy joke? TECH-nically, there is "no gun registration database" in PA... the state police just HAPPENS to maintain an "incomplete list" of "some sales"... well, if there TECHnically is NOT a "database of gun ownership"... exactly WHO or WHAT is being contacted on the RADIO, huh? LMAO... and to such an extent if the gun does not "come back in your name" it needs to be confiscated?
I am of the OPINION, that if the gun doesnt come back STOLEN, and i have a carry permit anyways, it should be immediately returned to me, no matter WHAT the "radio says" (which is wrong)
under these auspices? ANY time you pull ANYONE over, you can just "claim" the radio says its not your gun, and you confiscate it! I feel "lucky" i was able to talk them into a generic "IOU" that does not look like anythiing OFFICIAL saying they have my GUN!
something about this doesnt smell "legal" to me, but, i am not a lawyer...
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