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    Noticed that Penn Square Mall in Oklahoma City has posted 'no firearms',

    and asked why. Long roundabout finding valid contact information(wanted something in writing, so didn't call the mall office; finally did get hold of the mall manager, and this was the response:
    "Hopefully I can adequately explain Simon Property Group's position by stating:

    Possession of any weapon at our malls, whether concealed or displayed openly, is in violation of mall policy. This policy is intended first and foremost to maintain a safe, secure and comfortable environment at our malls, which has always been our top priority, and to avoid any situation that could potentially place at risk the safety of our shoppers and employees.

    With rare exception, our malls are private property, and like virtually every other facility in the community that is accessible by the public, ownership/management has the right to prohibit the possession of weapons, both displayed or concealed, other than licensed weapons carried by law enforcement personnel.

    We recognize that everyone does not endorse such a policy. However, it is the one our company embraces and enforces at each of our properties and which we believe is in the best interest of those who work and visit there.

    Thanks for your inquiry."

    Working on a polite response, which will include asking "As this means I would have to be disarmed in your parking garage and lots, does the mall take responsibility if I'm attacked/robbed on that part of the property?"
    And noting that I really don't want to shop in a place that considers me untrustworthy, and a threat to the other patrons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehand View Post
    Simon Property Group
    Ah. That's all you had to say.

    You can go ahead with your reply if you wish, but you could save time by finding a fence post to talk to. It will be just as effective.

    The gun community has been through this issue with Simon for years. They don't care, and aren't budging.

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    Noticed that Penn Square Mall in Oklahoma City has posted 'no firearms',

    Maybe if Penn allowed it, it could have stopped the countless robberies, muggings, car jackings, stabbing, attempted abduction and RAPE that have occurred in their parking garage over the last few years. I refuse to let my wife and daughter go there alone. They have has to many issues with people lurking around in the parking garage. Don't forget to mention that to them as well. Their GFCZ has obviously become an open invitation for scum.

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    Noticed that Penn Square Mall in Oklahoma City has posted 'no firearms',

    What could happen if you go into a store with a no gun decal on window and you have your gun on you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDDIRT View Post
    What could happen if you go into a store with a no gun decal on window and you have your gun on you ?
    You will be trespass from the property to start with then if you return there you can be arrested. Best bet avoid them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDDIRT View Post
    What could happen if you go into a store with a no gun decal on window and you have your gun on you ?
    From my understanding whether you cc or oc and a sign has been posted where it could be considered obvious then you can charged with trespass if sign is not in plain sight at every entrance they must inform you of their policy and ask you to leave, then if you refuse you can be charged with trespass.

    If you go to the thread about the open carry presentation someone posted an audio recording of it that is about an hour long and on it we were told about that very question.
    Last edited by Robert318; 11-09-2012 at 09:17 AM.

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    Depending on the jurisdiction, the sign could be considered your notice of intent and you can be arrested for trespass without verbal notice. In other locations, verbal notice is required before an owner/manager can charge you with trespass.

    I wouldn't recommend carrying past a sign to figure out which type of jurisdiction you live in.
    I am not a lawyer and nothing I say should be accepted as legal advice

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    Hey, if it's concealed well enough they won't know and if something truly happens.....well I would cross that bridge when it came up. When I go to places like that I use "Deep Conceal" Air Marshall's type holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    Hey, if it's concealed well enough they won't know and if something truly happens.....
    Welcome to opencarry.com.

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    Yeah, I know. It's just too darned hard to open carry everywhere and plan for every stop you might make while traveling. I don't really want to leave the weapon in the car.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    Yeah, I know. It's just too darned hard to open carry everywhere and plan for every stop you might make while traveling. I don't really want to leave the weapon in the car.....
    As I plan to use my duty holster that isn't exactly an option to simply "cover up". Though I do plan on getting a quick release for fast removal on those occasions i need to leave it behind.

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