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    The coming Revolution.

    With the reelection of the communist I now see no way we can avoid a revolution. I use the analogy of a building, before the election we were heavily damaged, and leaning to one side, but with a lot of work, engineering it was still at least possible to fix the country, but now after the election that possibility has ended, the building is now on fire, and by the time we put it out there will be to much damage to repair, we will have to bulldoze it, and rebuild it. Fortunately the foundation (the constitution) is still sound, and will give us something to build on, but it's going to be tough to get there.

    Meaning that even if the communists lose in 2016, even if we get a super majority in the Senate, so much damage is going to be done in the next 4 years (on top of the damage that's already been done) that I see no way to fix it peacefully, I am not advocating for anything simply stating an unfortunate fact, there is no one to avoid it at this point, we are in for a very violent, and bloody war, and the country may not be the same when were done.

    I anticipate it will start within the next 5 years, I doubt it will be sooner than summer 2013, but it could be anytime after, becoming more likely as time goes on, I would say that there is better than an 80-90% chance that it will start within the next 5 years, if we get that far without one I will be shocked, but it certainly will not be longer than 10, it is now inevitable, the only question is when, and how, to that end I see some possibilities:

    1: Spontaneous, one day it just starts with no apparent warning, one day people just wake up, and say enough is enough.

    2: Snowball effect, it will just be one incident, one incident that in the grand scheme of things is probably minor, but it will just be the straw that broke the camels back, one incident to far. The people will react, and the government will over react, as the saying goes "when your only tool is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail". It just spirals out of control from there in to a revolution.

    3: The 1775 model, a small motivated group of patriots start a personal revolt against the government, and it spreads from there until you end up with a full blown revolution.

    4: The secessionist model, states finally get fed up, and start breaking away ala 1860.

    5: Full economic collapse, people stop lending us money, and the system finally collapses, from there rioting, and assassinations eventually lead to a revolution.

    What do you think?

    The question is what will the country look like afterwords, and will it still be in one piece, or will it break up?

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    The coming Revolution.

    i hear the hoover coming to clean up the mess, it is inevitable now.
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    I don't know how the effects of the financial treason our fed gov has propagated haven't come crashing down yet....
    I do believe it is coming. Inflation spiking. Taxes rising very high. Increased unemployment. The only mistake is continuing the red/blue blaming game. Neither team has the right answer. How many answers to our country's uncovered debts did you hear during the campaign? Medicare? Social security? The black operation of the FED? Just keep kicking the can and spend spend spend until which ever color in office comes out and says "our situation is dire, we have no where to turn to borrow. We have no choice but to start taking 65% taxes."
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    Red face

    Sorry SAC to burst your bubble,

    The only way to get most Americans of their fat A$$ES is to shut down all the beer factories and destroy all Television broadcasting hardware. Then, and it's a big maybe, would they, the zombified masses be possibly motivate to take action. It would go like this...Beer, need beer, Arghhh, TV need TV Arghhh, Brains need Brains!
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    I agree that revolution may be coming, but not nearly as soon as the OP suggests. At least according to the Tytler Cycle





    we still have a period of bondage coming yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman View Post
    I agree that revolution may be coming, but not nearly as soon as the OP suggests. At least according to the Tytler Cycle





    we still have a period of bondage coming yet
    We've been in bondage since 1913.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Small_Arms_Collector View Post
    I anticipate it will start within the next 5 years, I doubt it will be sooner than summer 2013,
    I'm not that optimistic. I have strong doubts that this won't have all unraveled by March. Some restaurant chains have stopped hiring full time workers to dodge Obamacare. Some small companies have started layoffs of up to 10% of their workers so they can cover the Obamacare costs for the remaining workforce. Since Wednesday, Boeing, Hawker Beechcraft, and Rockwell Collins (all aerospace and defense companies) have announced job cuts. RC 6% HB 410 workers, Boeing count unknown, but expect it to be in the thousands. And these are just the first. We well could have 20%+ unemployment even in the merry way the government figures it by the end of Jan. 2013. That would be the snowball.

    The government will want to help these people caught up in this mess so they will print money like it's going out of style. The value of the dollar will collapse in short order when other governments start dumping their dollar valued holdings. This will cause oil to skyrocket, think $10+ a gallon gas. And that would be the avalanche. There will be riots in the streets.

    And the government, always looking to fix a problem by screwing with something that isn't the problem, will try a gun grab. After all if we take everyone's firearms, they will all calm down, right?

    And that will start the shooting.

    I see VERY bad times ahead.

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    my brother working for DOD as military cargo aircraft maintenance, they are talking about laying off over 900 employees just in his area or location due to the "fiscal cliff" that nobama has ignored all year. and now its a big deal...? IT NEVER WENT AWAY!!! but not to worry, obama has given us hope that we will have our welfare, food stamps, big rimz and gold teef. Free healthcare for illegals and more freedoms and rights to them then those born in this great nation. Unemployment, handouts, free shizz... he has provided a source of dependancy that the fat of the nation have suckled on and could care less about what they gave up for the nipple.

    Ill just sit back and watch them all fall. dont knock on my door for help, it will be too late.
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    Revolution? Our government is already revolting... and has been revolting for the last four years. The restraints have now been removed, there is no more concern about re-election, and the socialist-"progressive", liberal-Marxist/Communist administration - with all it's anti-American czars - can now implement it's full plan to destroy our once-great nation.

    The completion of our financial collapse will be first, new jobs will become non-existent, and established jobs will be done away with for corporate survival. Then civil unrest will follow (rioting and looting, perhaps some shooting by those slackers who live off the government), food will become very scarce (distribution will be controlled by the government), and these conditions - created by the mismanagement of government - will result in the imposition of martial law. People who have been LACs all their lives, will resort to crimes against their neighbors in an attempt to provide for their own family. The future is bleak... there will be killings of entire families - by members of that same family - out of despair. People scavenging for food and other survival items will die in the streets, or inside a house to which they weren't invited.

    And, while we are busy fighting among ourselves, what will all our world enemies do? "Enemies" include those who envy our freedoms and successes. They will sit back and watch while we decimate ourselves, and when the right opportunity presents itself, they will act. "Divided we fall..." With any luck though, they too will be deeply immersed in their own struggles for individual and national survival. Doom and gloom scenario? You bet your ass it is. When there is no Hope, there will be Change. But, there will be many "cold dead fingers". "Audentis Fortuna Iuvat...Fortune Favors the Brave". Pax...
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    I heard all this tripe 4 years ago, before President Obama even sat in the chair. Remember these predictions?
    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ct...ma_admini.html
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    Re: The coming Revolution.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=auFz6...%3DauFz6AYB0h4

    This thread made me think of this video. It's Mojo singing about revolution. The song was in the soundtrack of the classic video game Redneck Rampage.
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    I don't know that it will get that extreme. I hope not at least. Don't forget that even though O can't be relected in 4 years the democrats will not only want a chance at retaining the presidency but getting a bigger majority in the Senate and gaining a majority in the house. I anticipate the next 4 years will be all about getting them to that point. I think O will be a good little soldier for the democratic party. IF he did what everyone is saying he would do then I'm sure Clinton or whatever idiot runs would not have a chance, Republicans would stand a better chance at getting control of the Senate.

    Look at what history tells us. End of the country predictions were made four years ago, and seem to be made every election. We've had Presidents just as Socialist as Obama (Wilson, FDR) in the office and the country has survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    I heard all this tripe 4 years ago, before President Obama even sat in the chair. Remember these predictions?
    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ct...ma_admini.html
    Did you hear THIS four years ago:
    I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns,” Obama told author and economist John Lott, according to an interview Lott did on the Michael Medved Show in 2008.
    Obama should definitely sit in "the chair"... and then somebody should throw the switch! Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    I heard all this tripe 4 years ago, before President Obama even sat in the chair. Remember these predictions?
    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ct...ma_admini.html
    20,000 disappearing for "mental illness" for disagreeing with the government.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...52#post1849952
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    I think the worst case scenarios are just a bit exagerated. Yeah, I have no doubt the Prez, his Cabinet, and anyone else he as appointed are not interested in our idea of American prosperity. This recent bout of perceived layoffs and the fiscal cliff is a big problem and will probably stall the economy if nothing is done. Honestly it's a Catch 22 with the current conditions in Congress. A deadlock makes it far more unlikely that Obama will get his agenda passed, but if there was no deadlock, we could avoid the fiscal cliff by passing SOMETHING to avoid it - even if it is something many of us wouldn't approve of - but Obama would have a good chance of passing his agenda.

    Quite frankly I don't know what the next year or two will bring. The best I can do is perform at my job, have a plan B, and be prepared. Many were predicting doom and gloom when Obama first took office. He has spent us into a hole that it will take our grand-kids and their grand-kids to dig our country out of, but for the moment at least their is some economic growth, even if it is only a marginal amount. We still have our guns and we as a forum have continued to make great strides in educating the public about their rights - and we even gained a new OC state. (Welcome Oklahoma!!)

    I think the best chance we have at keeping DC under control is action within the states and we have seen evidence of states gaining strength. Texas and Oklahoma have business models that are making many people flock there for job opportunities. Washington and Colorado have directly challenged federal authority by legalizing marijuana. Several states have said the feds cannot regulate any firearms manufactured and otherwise remain within their borders.

    Is the writing on the wall? I don't know - the best I can do is be ready. And if the SHTF - all I want is to stay alive and stay out of the way. Regardless of who is in power or what they may or may not say or do, I will continue to speak of freedom and live as a free man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
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    Is the writing on the wall? I don't know - the best I can do is be ready. And if the SHTF - all I want is to stay alive and stay out of the way. Regardless of who is in power or what they may or may not say or do, I will continue to speak of freedom and live as a free man.
    I will guess that you have no idea what freedom means.

    You have a SSN and live not as a free man but, rather you live in fear of the IRS.

    If you believe that you don't have the rights to fruits of your labor (by believing the government can tax your earnings) then you live as a slave with the illusion of freedom. Like most people on this forum and in this country.
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    Lets hope there is no revolution anytime soon. Historically, revolutions install demagogues just as bad or worse than the overthrown. The American Revolution was a bit of a rarity.

    Remember, the majority of the people do not know or want a government that leaves them alone. They want a government that gives them something, can be used to give them an advantage over others, or can be used to force their ideas on others. I think what happens is people support the demagogue who promises them whatever. H. L. Mencken's comment that democracy stands for the idea that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard has some application. They just get it harder and faster by supporting a demagogue who attains dictatorship via revolution.

    It occurs to me that the English have a knack for obtaining liberty without revolution. In 1215 the nobles arose under arms against King John and got him to concede Magna Carta but they allowed John to remain king. Similar for Charles I. After winning the first civil war, Cromwell & Co spent time and energy trying to convince him to mend his ways rather than kill him. If Charles had shaped up, he would have remained king. Cromwell & Co. only beheaded him after Charles fomented the second civil war from his prison cell and refused to give up his claim that divine right gave him authority no one else could question. I wonder if Thomas Jefferson had this in mind when he wrote that there should be an armed rebellion every twenty years to remind the government that the people preserve the spirit of resistance.

    Anyway, lets hope there is no revolution. Not only is there no guarantee the winner would be any better, history shows the winner could very well be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    I will guess that you have no idea what freedom means.

    You have a SSN and live not as a free man but, rather you live in fear of the IRS.

    If you believe that you don't have the rights to fruits of your labor (by believing the government can tax your earnings) then you live as a slave with the illusion of freedom. Like most people on this forum and in this country.
    FDR used the promise of govt old age protection to trick people into being numbered. Can't have a earnings tax without tracking the people. Hitler instituted national health care to manage the people, so now we have national health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    FDR used the promise of govt old age protection to trick people into being numbered. Can't have a earnings tax without tracking the people. Hitler instituted national health care to manage the people, so now we have national health care.
    Hitler also carried a handgun at his side, I suppose all of us OC'r are supporters of Hitler. Hitler also wore a hat, and I have met a number of OC'rs that wear hats.

    Obama gets haircuts, so do most individuals, as did Hitler.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Hitler also carried a handgun at his side, I suppose all of us OC'r are supporters of Hitler. Hitler also wore a hat, and I have met a number of OC'rs that wear hats.

    Obama gets haircuts, so do most individuals, as did Hitler.
    Really do you have a cite for that? And if true Hitler was a military leader, just like Saddam Hussein or Fidel Castro. It is not quite the same as the people OCing.

    Obama also read Mein Kampf...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Really do you have a cite for that? And if true Hitler was a military leader, just like Saddam Hussein or Fidel Castro. It is not quite the same as the people OCing.
    Apparently, you have never looked at photos of Hitler, where he wore a handgun at his side, a hat, had his hair, apparently, cut regularly.

    We are in trouble, Obama is a military leader also.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Apparently, you have never looked at photos of Hitler, where he wore a handgun at his side, a hat, had his hair, apparently, cut regularly.

    We are in trouble, Obama is a military leader also.
    You have anything other than photo ops? What about Hitler's firearm policies? Was he for citizen firearm rights? Or did he confiscate firearms of the people?

    Do you really want to go down this road?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    You have anything other than photo ops? What about Hitler's firearm policies? Was he for citizen firearm rights? Or did he confiscate firearms of the people?

    Do you really want to go down this road?
    Let's take a trip, down this road, together:

    "
    And the truth is that no gun law was passed in Germany in 1935. There was no need for one, since a gun registration program was already in effect in Germany; it was enacted in 1928, five years before Hitler’s ascendancy. But that law did not “outlaw” guns, it just restricted their possession to individuals who were considered law-abiding citizens, and who had a reason to own one. And there’s no reason to consider that law particularly significant, either; the NAZIs didn’t seize control of their own country with gunpowder. They used a much more potent weapon: propaganda.
    Under their reign, Jews were prohibited from owning guns, just as they were prohibited from doing many things. And it has become an article of faith among the gun culture that had they been armed, the Holocaust would not have happened (that is, among those members of the gun culture who know that the Holocaust really did happen). But the concept of a handful of citizens armed with hunting rifles and Saturday night specials fending off an army is delusional hubris peculiar to gun addicts. On American soil, its most glorious day in the sun has been perhaps Waco. And we all know how well that turned out. http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/"

    "OK, so the quote and cite are screwed up. What about the supposed law itself? Well, as described in the FAQ, 1935 "has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration." (Nor, for that matter, does 1936, the year you mention in your question.) Indeed, there was no need for the Nazis to pass a law like that, because the earlier Weimar government had already passed gun registration laws. When I asked Cramer about his reasearch, he said, "The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power." In other words, they didn't need to pass additional laws. The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other "non-citizens."http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership"



    "Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

    • Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
    • All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
    • Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
    • Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
    • The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
    • Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition."

    http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html"

    Basically, there were firearm restriction, on certain populations, such as: Jews. There WAS NOT an outright ban on firearms, by Hitler.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Let's take a trip, down this road, together:

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    And the truth is that no gun law was passed in Germany in 1935. There was no need for one, since a gun registration program was already in effect in Germany; it was enacted in 1928, five years before Hitler’s ascendancy. But that law did not “outlaw” guns, it just restricted their possession to individuals who were considered law-abiding citizens, and who had a reason to own one. And there’s no reason to consider that law particularly significant, either; the NAZIs didn’t seize control of their own country with gunpowder. They used a much more potent weapon: propaganda.
    Under their reign, Jews were prohibited from owning guns, just as they were prohibited from doing many things. And it has become an article of faith among the gun culture that had they been armed, the Holocaust would not have happened (that is, among those members of the gun culture who know that the Holocaust really did happen). But the concept of a handful of citizens armed with hunting rifles and Saturday night specials fending off an army is delusional hubris peculiar to gun addicts. On American soil, its most glorious day in the sun has been perhaps Waco. And we all know how well that turned out. http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/"

    "OK, so the quote and cite are screwed up. What about the supposed law itself? Well, as described in the FAQ, 1935 "has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration." (Nor, for that matter, does 1936, the year you mention in your question.) Indeed, there was no need for the Nazis to pass a law like that, because the earlier Weimar government had already passed gun registration laws. When I asked Cramer about his reasearch, he said, "The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power." In other words, they didn't need to pass additional laws. The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other "non-citizens."http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership"



    "Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

    • Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
    • All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
    • Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
    • Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
    • The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
    • Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition."

    http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html"

    Basically, there were firearm restriction, on certain populations, such as: Jews. There WAS NOT an outright ban on firearms, by Hitler.
    Sounds a lot like Obama to me...

    http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/regis...istration.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Sounds a lot like Obama to me...
    Considering Obama has done zero to restricting firearms, it sounds like Hitler to me, not Obama.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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