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    Racism and Gun Ownership

    this article was put out by the JPFO. i thought it was good so i posted it here. i have had problems with Racist people at events in the past (both black and white, and a few other colors). i would lie to know your opinions on here. i hope you all know i am not trolling. i think this is a subject that needs discussion. here is the article so have at it

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    By Kenn Blanchard, KennBlanchard.com
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    You ever wonder why there are so few African Americans at your pro-gun event? For many shooters in the black community gun ownership makes them a pariah. They deal with gun bigotry, cultural alienation and a lack of support. Let me illustrate one case with a guy named Phil and his family.
    After Phil was married and became a father, protection of the family meant more to him than safeguarding property. He bought a shotgun. The shotgun was secured and forgotten until there was a home invasion down the street. Phil went back to the gun shop and bought his first handgun. He took all the steps required to legally own a handgun, which was more than he realized when he first had the thought. He did the paperwork, passed the national instant check, waited to be "Not Disapproved" by the Maryland State Police a week later, and picked up his pistol ten days later. He took a class on concealed carry and learned that there was much he didn't know about the Second Amendment , the political games tied to the right to keep and bear arms, and now how his family and friends thought of him.
    Buying a gun that he intended to carry concealed, when and if he was approved to do so, alarmed his extended family. When he shared some of the things he learned about gun control with his brother-in-law and it started a big family fight. He was called a sell-out, an Uncle Tom, and blamed for the deaths of the drug dealers across town. They asked if he had joined the racist NRA. Phil was in shock at the responses. The more he talked about what he had learned the more alienated he became. He did have one ally at the Sunday dinner. His cousin John the family dissident and racist, who blames everyone for his failures in life, was the only one that agreed he should have a firearm. His input didn't help Phil. Phil is like many Americans of African descent in the gun community, alone and dejected.
    Discrimination from your own family hurts. As a black new gun owner some find out that you have to defend the history of gun rights from slavery till the present often with a hostile audience. While you are sharing facts they are hitting you with every sound bite the anti-self-defense people have produced.
    This happens because of conditioning over the past four hundred years. It is a lot like Stockholm syndrome. That is when a victim begins to express empathy toward their oppressor, sometimes to the point of defending them. After the Black Codes were instituted proceeding the Civil War black women lost husbands, and mothers lost sons, just for the act of carrying a firearm. To be found in possession of ammunition, or any parts of a weapon, could mean death by a mob. It was socially acceptable to summarily punish an armed black man. And that punishment ranged from public beatings, imprisonment, work camps, to torture/death. A few centuries of that and every black woman that survived had it in her DNA to forbid bringing a sidearm into the house.
    She doesn't care about the right to keep and bear arms argument. She just wants to save the lives of her children. This fear tactic is still being sold to mothers in the city. She doesn't believe gun ownership applies to her family. She doesn't have the luxury of philosophical debate about gun control. She just wants to save her race. It is hard to overcome that fear in the black home where the matriarch often rules and the facts are not there.
    Phil's cousin tells him to watch himself when he goes looking for training and to make sure he isn't used as a target since he will be the only "colored" guy out there, as was in the movie "Surviving the Game" (1994) starring Ice-T, Rutger Hauer, and Gary Busey. So armed with all of that squirrely information and conflict is in the back of Phil's mind he decides to attend a pro-gun event.
    You and I know that when Phil finally gets to a big gun event he will be welcomed warmly like everyone else. Unfortunately, he may not be culturally familiar with all the themes. Things like big game hunting, NASCAR, and country music being prominent. While it may be American, it is not all of America.
    This isn't every non-white male gun owners' story but it's just one with which I am familiar. I have spent the last twenty years, mediating and encouraging people to understand that a gun is a tool, and personal accountability is what's important. You know that gun control is based on racist roots . You know that our country is still healing from it all. What you may not know is that all of us contribute to the success and failure of reaching new shooters of all colors, creeds, sexual preferences and religions in America. We all just have to keep doing what's right even when no one is looking. It only takes one verbal mistake to set us back. One of the unwritten rules of becoming a gun owner is that you have to also become an ambassador for the cause. It's not a conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, black or white thing. It's a rights thing.
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    At a very minimum, a plurality of White anti-gunners I have met or talked to online were racists, if not outright White supremacists.

    If you're Black and want to be bombarded with virtually every racial slur known to man, refuse to endorse repressive gun controls when a White anti-gunner ORDERS you to.

    Scratch an anti-gunner, find a Klansman or a Nazi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    At a very minimum, a plurality of White anti-gunners I have met or talked to online were racists, if not outright White supremacists.

    If you're Black and want to be bombarded with virtually every racial slur known to man, refuse to endorse repressive gun controls when a White anti-gunner ORDERS you to.

    Scratch an anti-gunner, find a Klansman or a Nazi.
    It's a little more than that, and you know it!

    But Ken Blanchard raises two very important questions - 1) what can be done within the African American community to make gun ownership (and the concommitant issues of personal responsibility) acceptable, and 2) what can the rest of us to to help ease the transition of someone (of whatever race/group) to gun ownership without having to go through complete culture shock?

    Question #1 is rife with pitfalls of "easy" answers that are politically- or philosophically motivated, as well as the pitfalls that are associated with a truely neutral approach to the issue of self-responsibility in the African American community. Relgion and protect-our-own-at-any-cost attitudes (by no means limited to African Americans) play large parts but are not the only issues to be addressed.

    Question #2 is possibly a bit easier to address. Quit making fun of the newbie - regardless of how much fun and how entertaining it is. (In the interest of full disclosure, I have been guilty of doing so. Mea culpa.) Guns, especially gun ownership, is not like NFL football or MLB baseball - most folks do not grow up so exposed to it that even if they have no personal interest they have at least a rudimentary knowledge and understanding of the game and the "culture" of those who do think it is important. This, I am sure, contributes greatly to the constant repetition of the same basic questions from each newbie. Remember, most of them know so l;ittle that they don't even know (yet) where to find an answer on their own. Anybody who knows more than them (in other words, anybody who claims to know anything, regardless of how correct or not that may be) is seen by them as an "expert".

    But, Deanimator, you do get close to the heart of the matter when you note that most anti-gun rights folks are socialists at heart. You just left out the other branches of the tree that they perch on.

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    I think, ouch that hurts, that many anti-gunners just believe what they have been told. And they have been told it so long they cannot imagine being wrong. It seems that it has become a culture thing unfortunately, you have to be democrat if you are black, and because you are democrat you have to fear guns.

    It goes the same with government in general, the people who tend to be on the bottom don't realize they are being taken advantage of. That racial tensions are being pushed to the max so democrats can keep the status quo. Same with fears over scary guns. The inner city people are the ones who suffer crime the most and they are convinced they cannot protect themselves. They are being slaughtered for votes, it is disgusting.
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    I love Kenn Blanchard, in a purely platonic way, his books, his podcasts, wish he would show up at my range, bet he would be very interesting to talk with and to shoot with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    But Ken Blanchard raises two very important questions - 1) what can be done within the African American community to make gun ownership (and the concommitant issues of personal responsibility) acceptable, and 2) what can the rest of us to to help ease the transition of someone (of whatever race/group) to gun ownership without having to go through complete culture shock?
    I was raised on the Southeast Side of Chicago, and still have relatives there.

    The same people who are babbling incessantly about wanting gun control, ILLEGALLY own guns there.

    The same people who hate the Chicago Police Department voted for Daley, the man who made his political career based on confessions obtained via TORTURE. It wasn't Eskimos that Cdr. John Burge tortured on a regular basis, yet for twenty years, they voted for the man who helped perpetuate institutional torture in Chicago.

    What can you do with people who complain about being oppressed, yet for twenty years voted for their own chains?

    You can't make somebody be free who doesn't want to be, not even at gunpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    I was raised on the Southeast Side of Chicago, and still have relatives there.

    The same people who are babbling incessantly about wanting gun control, ILLEGALLY own guns there.

    The same people who hate the Chicago Police Department voted for Daley, the man who made his political career based on confessions obtained via TORTURE. It wasn't Eskimos that Cdr. John Burge tortured on a regular basis, yet for twenty years, they voted for the man who helped perpetuate institutional torture in Chicago.

    What can you do with people who complain about being oppressed, yet for twenty years voted for their own chains?

    You can't make somebody be free who doesn't want to be, not even at gunpoint.
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    It is true that most folks are content to take handouts and still will complain about being oppressed. So what? We (me, Ken Blanchard, and you) are not talking about them. We are talking about those that want to break out of the mold and assume some personal responsibility for their lives.

    And there we have the description of where the problem may lie - breaking out of the mold. Everybody knows it is safer to stay with the herd. Even fish know that leaving the school/reef increases the odds of getting eaten. Have you ever seen what herd animals will do to the one that tries to break out? And then, when it does break free, they will do everything to prevent it from returning to the herd.

    It's a scary, dangerous place out here away from the herd. One of the tings we can do is make those folks who have just broken away feel like if they are not welcome at least they are not hated by us as much as those remaining in the herd also hate them. Making them feel welcome out here away from the herd would, or course, be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    And there we have the description of where the problem may lie - breaking out of the mold. Everybody knows it is safer to stay with the herd. Even fish know that leaving the school/reef increases the odds of getting eaten. Have you ever seen what herd animals will do to the one that tries to break out? And then, when it does break free, they will do everything to prevent it from returning to the herd.
    When I make my once a year visits to Chicago, I try to tell my relatives what life is like in the United States.

    One Christmas, I showed them my Ohio CHL. One of them asked if Cleveland was "THAT dangerous". I gave them my standard reply:
    • Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
    • Police have no legal liability to protect individuals.
    • Police have virtually no ability to protect individuals.


    Protect YOURSELF or don't get protected AT ALL.

    I'm sure I couldn't have seen as much incredulity on a bunch of faces if tonight I gathered them together and told them that Barack Hussein Obama was a reptilian from the Pleiades. They had been raised to [rightfully] hate and fear the Chicago Police Department, but at the same time believed that they didn't need guns because the same cops who tortured, robbed and murdered in their communities would always be there to "protect" them.

    Of course to a large extent, Chicago is a unique case, given its history and culture. The average Chicagoan, White, Black or Hispanic will give a politician his last $5 IF he's convinced that $4.99 of it will be used to harm somebody of a different race, religion or ethnicity.

    Trying to convince a lot of Black Chicagoans that people actually have rights that aren't for sale to the highest bidder (and that Jewish doctors DON'T actually intentionally inject Black children with AIDS) is about on a par with trying to convince a bunch of Taliban that chit'lins is the perfect food. But this is mostly because they have copied and internalized the cloud-cuckoo-land irrationality, malice and bigotry of White Chicagoans. I'm sure a lot of people consider me "odd" (or a "race traitor") because I believe that if you're going to imitate a White man, it SHOULDN'T be Frank Collin.

    I wrote Chicago off a VERY long time ago.
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    You know what is funny to me about all of this? I am a Black Independent voter and vote regularly for Republican candidates. I prayed that McCain would win and voted for him. I disagree with a lot of Romney's opinions and voted for him. I work for the State and I am known to be "one of the guys to go-to if you have a firearms question". I shoot, hunt, fish, trap and basically have a great love for the outdoors. I have been questioned about my want to do these things since I was a young kid. I taught myself to do most of these things and can't explain why I love them so much. I live and was raised in the same small town for 43 years. Most people not-of-color where I am from, find my knowledge of the outdoors to be some kind of oddity. I feel offended by that sometimes. I open carry almost exclusively and find it to be very comfortable. That might be because of my job. I have a friend (also a Black man) that enjoys these things, but now lives in the city. We get together when we can to shoot, hunt and fish. We don't understand why more people of every race don't enjoy these things? Maybe we are just special. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Weezy View Post
    I have been questioned about my want to do these things since I was a young kid.
    There is a certain type of White "liberal" who "likes" Black people... so long as we are helpless and dependent. Independent, assertive Black people, of whatever political stripe, frighten them. They fear their history and they fear us. They fear that the chickens will "come home to roost". A segment of them view us as inferiors, every bit as much as any member of the Aryan Brotherhood. They view us as dangerous children who can neither care for ourselves nor be trusted with adult implements.

    Point these things out and INEVITABLY, a "certain word" will be tossed your way, no matter how far to the left, the utterer claims to be...
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    By no means are these idiotic stereotypes confined to a group of one ethnic background.

    Some of my American Indian family don't understand and continue the self disarmament the government used to mandate against them.

    "Guns may work for haole (white) guys on the mainland but the brothers here would kill themselves" A Hawaiian friend of mine..... . Sometimes people will perpetuate the very myths that hurt them.

    And overwhelming majority of subservient compliance and following the herd mentality is from other White folks, yet instead of being called derogatory bigoted names, they are accused of being the bigots. One anti told me she assumes that when she see's a gun owner he's a "racist republican".
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    You ever wonder why there are so few African Americans at your a pro-gun event?
    No.
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    Re: Racism and Gun Ownership

    I never wondered for 2 reasons. One, there were plenty Aa's at the last gun show I went to. The second, most of the fields I live around , are hunted by a hunt club or 2, that is African American.

    Racism is wrong period. We all bleed the same color, both sides need to let go and stop living in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    I never wondered for 2 reasons. One, there were plenty Aa's at the last gun show I went to. The second, most of the fields I live around , are hunted by a hunt club or 2, that is African American.

    Racism is wrong period. We all bleed the same color, both sides need to let go and stop living in the past.

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    I believe that more people should reach out to blacks, get them involved and enjoying the rewards and they might start to abandon the party of oppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I believe that more people should reach out to blacks, get them involved and enjoying the rewards and they might start to abandon the party of oppression.
    That should happen as a reaching out to people in general. If you reach out in general, you will naturally reach a cross-section of the general population. BTW, one of the folks with whom I work behind the gun counter happens to be black and is, naturally, a gun-enthusiast. And he knows a helluva lot more about firearms than I do. I respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I believe that more people should reach out to blacks, get them involved and enjoying the rewards and they might start to abandon the party of oppression.
    I agree, I'll wait right here until you get back from conducting outreach in "da hood."

    The black community certainly seems to know about their 1A, 4A, and 5A rights. Heck, they even got "black leaders" to remind them of their 1A, 4A, and 5A rights. Where is the 2A in the black community? Ask a black, not me. I'm more concerned with my ability to exercise my 2A right. If my working to keep it for me helps a black, bonus, I ain't doing for nobody but me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Where is the 2A in the black community?
    It is deprecated because it is contrary to the sort of submissiveness and dependency that those on the far left wish to inculcate in Black people.

    A centerpiece of serfdom is the idea that the serfs NEED the lord for "protection". If you can protect YOURSELF, why do you need a master?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    I agree, I'll wait right here until you get back from conducting outreach in "da hood."

    The black community certainly seems to know about their 1A, 4A, and 5A rights. Heck, they even got "black leaders" to remind them of their 1A, 4A, and 5A rights. Where is the 2A in the black community? Ask a black, not me. I'm more concerned with my ability to exercise my 2A right. If my working to keep it for me helps a black, bonus, I ain't doing for nobody but me.
    IMO we cannot get anywhere by preaching to them, does it work here? I have a neighbor that is Honduran, his wife just realized her citizenship after I talked to her, she is of Mexican decent. She voted for her very first time, for Romney. Now I have never talked politics to her, but her husband and I talk about hundreds of topics probably politics on the very bottom of the list. But we do occasionally discuss it, it made a difference, all of his Hispanic friends wanted her to vote for Obama.

    We or anyone else cannot beat somebody over the head with our ideals and not expect them to shut us off. It does not work here, it does not work in the real world. It takes truly reaching out, involving yourself with them on a personal level, or they will never listen.

    They certainly will not listen to smart asss comments like "da hood"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    IMO we cannot get anywhere by preaching to them, does it work here? I have a neighbor that is Honduran, his wife just realized her citizenship after I talked to her, she is of Mexican decent. She voted for her very first time, for Romney. Now I have never talked politics to her, but her husband and I talk about hundreds of topics probably politics on the very bottom of the list. But we do occasionally discuss it, it made a difference, all of his Hispanic friends wanted her to vote for Obama.

    We or anyone else cannot beat somebody over the head with our ideals and not expect them to shut us off. It does not work here, it does not work in the real world. It takes truly reaching out, involving yourself with them on a personal level, or they will never listen.

    They certainly will not listen to smart asss comments like "da hood"...
    Obfuscation. You deflect and redirect, time tested debating technique.

    My "outreach" is conducted by example, not by words. I cannot bring a horse to water then compel him to drink, I can only show him the water, the horse must then decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Obfuscation. You deflect and redirect, time tested debating technique.

    My "outreach" is conducted by example, not by words. I cannot bring a horse to water then compel him to drink, I can only show him the water, the horse must then decide.
    You cannot beat a dead horse and make him drink, and people are not horses, blacks are not animals. A party of person cannot make any change, by not listening to the one they are trying to change. Communications is the key, and it has to be more than just politics. It means taking an interest in their life, and allowing them to take interest in yours. Building trust and friendship, and then inviting them to participate in liberty. You would have already lost with the mocking "da hood". I ask again how well does that work in the forums?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I believe that more people should reach out to blacks, get them involved and enjoying the rewards and they might start to abandon the party of oppression.
    Doesn't "racism" begin with basing beliefs/actions on race? How about we reach out to everyone? There's no reason to put special emphasis on race(whatever the word "race" means). Let's get more people on our side, race be damned!!

    Edit - Looks like Eye95 said this already so interpret this post as a +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Doesn't "racism" begin with basing beliefs/actions on race? How about we reach out to everyone? There's no reason to put special emphasis on race(whatever the word "race" means). Let's get more people on our side, race be damned!!
    Are you offended by the word "black" or "race" if you are you could be part of the problem. Please spare me the PC carp. Blacks are by government standards over 10% of the population, and for most part vote along the lines of the race 95% democrat. Why do I need to reach out more to people I already share ideals with? Are you saying I should not have dinner, backyard parties and not invite blacks? I should stop talking to my Hispanic friends? I think you should examine your own thoughts?

    I am about sick of the constant race card being thrown every time adults attempt a intelligent conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Are you offended by the word "black" or "race" if you are you could be part of the problem.
    Nope. It's difficult to offend me.

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Please spare me the PC carp. Blacks are by government standards over 10% of the population, and for most part vote along the lines of the race 95% democrat. Why do I need to reach out more to people I already share ideals with? Are you saying I should not have dinner, backyard parties and not invite blacks? I should stop talking to my Hispanic friends? I think you should examine your own thoughts.
    Relax. You're reading too much into what I posted... I didn't mean to make you defensive.

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    I am about sick of the constant race card being thrown every time adults attempt a intelligent conversation.
    No race card fella... just a reminder to not fall into the easy error of poor actions with good intentions.
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    If you meant no offense you should not have thrown the race card.

    Sidestepping now is not helping you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    You cannot beat a dead horse and make him drink, and people are not horses, blacks are not animals. A party of person cannot make any change, by not listening to the one they are trying to change. Communications is the key, and it has to be more than just politics. It means taking an interest in their life, and allowing them to take interest in yours. Building trust and friendship, and then inviting them to participate in liberty. You would have already lost with the mocking "da hood". I ask again how well does that work in the forums?
    A party of persons can not affect change where change is not desired. Liberty is not some convoluted concept that must be taught, or explained. Liberty is instinctive, a concept that needs no learning to be practiced. I could be wrong, if I interpret your "invitaion to participate in liberty" correctly, and I'm not sure that I do. Building trust and friendship are laudible goals but are nothing more than a distraction, a hobby.

    Liberty minded people need no invitation, just the opportunity. I do not find the opportunity to participate in liberty in "da hood" mainly due to politics.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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