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    Happy verterns day

    Thank you for your service! God bless you!

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    Happy verterns day

    Veterans. And yes, thank you for all of the liberties that you have fought to protect! Let us honor those who have given their lives to keep us free.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Veterans. And yes, thank you for all of the liberties that you have fought to protect! Let us honor those who have given their lives to keep us free.
    And, include establishing or renewing a committment to prevent war.

    Honoring the sacrifice has its place. Lets also work to reduce dramatically the number of people who make that sacrifice.

    And, let us not forget to honor all the innocent, non-combatant victims of war.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. (Because that is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--for each other and everybody else--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.)

    Equality and consent of the governed: We're all equal. How can another legitimately govern me without my express consent?

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    Happy verterns day

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    And, include establishing or renewing a committment to prevent war.

    Honoring the sacrifice has its place. Lets also work to reduce dramatically the number of people who make that sacrifice.

    And, let us not forget to honor all the innocent, non-combatant victims of war.
    Indeed. Spot-on as always Citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    And, include establishing or renewing a committment to prevent war.

    Honoring the sacrifice has its place. Lets also work to reduce dramatically the number of people who make that sacrifice.

    And, let us not forget to honor all the innocent, non-combatant victims of war.
    +1

    I'm sitting here watching Viet Nam in HD on the Discovery Channel, and I wonder why we go to war? I called my friend Theador and he told me to read War is a rachet, written by Smedly Butler back in the 1930's. Smedley was a two time winner of the medal of honor as a Marine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket


    And my friend told me to watch this Youtube video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
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    Thank You and to my other brothers and sisters who have served in our Military, I enjoyed the Veterans Parade today in Yakima and then enjoyed lunch at Applebee's Honoring Veterans.
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    Big thanks to our vets today. Went up with the wife to drop off blankets and cards at the Beacon Hill VA today. Got to meet some fine veterans from many different generations. They are still accepting people until this evening. I encourage anyone who can make it to head up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    And, include establishing or renewing a committment to prevent war.

    Honoring the sacrifice has its place. Lets also work to reduce dramatically the number of people who make that sacrifice.

    And, let us not forget to honor all the innocent, non-combatant victims of war.
    It is Veteran's Day not Memorial Day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    And, include establishing or renewing a committment to prevent war.

    Honoring the sacrifice has its place. Lets also work to reduce dramatically the number of people who make that sacrifice.

    And, let us not forget to honor all the innocent, non-combatant victims of war.
    Citizen Respectfully, I have to disagree with you, today is Veterans Day it is not non-combatant victims day or prevent war day.

    "Honoring the sacrifice has its place" Yes it does and that is today.

    Please do not dilute the honor of every Veteran in America by introducing other topics on this day no matter how worthy they are.

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    I see your point, fellas. I did get a little off of my message. My fault.

    My message is that it used to be called Armistice Day. It used to be a day to remember the end of the war to end all wars. A neat trick if you want to continue war. Can't have a holiday reminding people that government utterly failed to end war, or even slow down.

    So, don't let the war-mongers stir your patriotism, nor enoble war by honoring veterans without remembering the rest of it.
    Last edited by Citizen; 11-11-2012 at 05:14 PM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. (Because that is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--for each other and everybody else--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.)

    Equality and consent of the governed: We're all equal. How can another legitimately govern me without my express consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmg50cal View Post
    It is Veteran's Day not Memorial Day.
    Good point. How about I say honor those who risked ultimate sacrifice, and sacrificed civilian career plans, etc.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. (Because that is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--for each other and everybody else--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.)

    Equality and consent of the governed: We're all equal. How can another legitimately govern me without my express consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    Citizen Respectfully, "Honoring the sacrifice has its place" Yes it does and that is today. Please do not dilute the honor of every Veteran in America by introducing other topics on this day no matter how worthy they are.
    Thank you Orphan. You have heard this before, but I must say it again.
    Veterans, when they raise their hand, "I (state your name) do solemnly swear........" , sign that blank check that offers up everything to include ones life. The situation can collect on that check at any time whether it is in kandahar, saigon or downtown bellingham. You never know when the bill will come due. A Veteran, no matter how long they serve, or where they serve, says "Sure, fair trade, my life for the Freedom of the Republic." That is what today is about. Honoring those who stand at Freedoms Gate and say" No, you must go through me first."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Thank you Orphan. You have heard this before, but I must say it again.
    Veterans, when they raise their hand, "I (state your name) do solemnly swear........" , sign that blank check that offers up everything to include ones life. The situation can collect on that check at any time whether it is in kandahar, saigon or downtown bellingham. You never know when the bill will come due. A Veteran, no matter how long they serve, or where they serve, says "Sure, fair trade, my life for the Freedom of the Republic." That is what today is about. Honoring those who stand at Freedoms Gate and say" No, you must go through me first."
    MSG I understand. My ancestors stood at freedoms gate and said no long before we were a country, my son is currently an active duty Marine NCO, SGT. A partial list of my warrior ancestors and a couple of current ones:

    SGT Steven Hayes Son USMC Iraqi Freedom, Afghanistan, 2007-current active duty NCO
    David Hayes Brother USN Vietnam
    Koenig Hayes Uncle USMC Chosin Reservoir
    Nathan Moore Grandfather 2nd Division US Army Belleau Wood, Argon Forest
    Samuel X McClellan GGG Grandfather SGT 206th Regiment PA infantry 1861-1865
    Silas Morgan GGG Grandfather, Army of the North Civil War
    Merriman Hupp GGGG Grandfather 20th Regiment Ohio Infantry Civil War
    Capt James Archer, GGGGG Grandfather, Continental Army, Frontier Rangers 1776-1794
    Phillip Hupp GGGGG Grandfather Continental Army & USMC , Germantown, Brandywine, Valley Forge, USS Rattletrap, Rodgers Rangers
    James Morgan Virginia Troops Continental Army
    David Morgan French & Indian war, Fort Necessity 1757, Ft Duquesne 1755, Continental Army 1777
    Capt. John Marshall 3rd Company 6th Battalion Pennsylvania, Revolutionary war.
    PVT Scott Marshall, War of 1812 and Civil War fought in Civil war at age 76.
    PVT William Marshall, Alexander’s Company 7th Pennsylvania regiment, Revolutionary War
    SGT Frank Sharp Pennsylvania Infantry, Philippian Insurgency 1898-1899

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    Impressive heritage my friend. Looks like your people do that as a Family Business? My Family has been in the same business (Bearing Arms) since the 1600s. Some people sell cars, some people run big businesses. Some people Soldier.
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    Thank you all for remembering those of us who haved served our country and my heartfelt thanks to all our brothers and sisters who have served ecspecialy those who gave the ultimate sacrafice and died for our flag.( the most wonderful flag that has ever been hoisted up a flag pole )




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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Impressive heritage my friend. Looks like your people do that as a Family Business? My Family has been in the same business (Bearing Arms) since the 1600s. Some people sell cars, some people run big businesses. Some people Soldier.
    I never forget that my ancestors and yours fought for our freedom. I can never forget that my ancestors and yours stood up and took care of business when they needed to. I never forget that I can not and will not be the one that lets them down. My family has been here since the 1600s as well.

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    Okay, please identify how the modern soldier does ANYTHING to protect your rights.

    I was a soldier I cared about freedom. The many of the other soldier who I talked to would have held you at gun point while they disarmed you if they were ordered to.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Okay, please identify how the modern soldier does ANYTHING to protect your rights.

    I was a soldier I cared about freedom. The many of the other soldier who I talked to would have held you at gun point while they disarmed you if they were ordered to.
    Some would, most wouldn't. Just because you chose to hang out with dirtbags, don't put that on the rest of us. I've be in the Army for 13 years, almost done being medically retired thanks to the taliban. I've met a few soldiers that would do what you say. I've also know quite a few soldier, lower and senior enlisted and officers that would never enforce such an unlawful order. The people that you are speaking about from my expirience are usually green privates that don't make it very long in the military anyways. The military may be the largest socialist system on the continent, but by and large we cherish the freedoms that this country stands for.

    Happy Veteran's Day fellers, raise your glass and be thankful that your alive to be reading this sillyness!

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    What is all this "soldier" business, do people who can't swim or qualify to fly only think of themselves, too bad for all the other vets, forgotten are the seamen, airmen and marines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    SNIP Okay, please identify how the modern soldier does ANYTHING to protect your rights.
    Lets not go there. Sometimes tact is better. I'm already accused of diluting for introducing other inseparable considerations. How do you think they're going to feel if you yank the patriotism and do-good out from under them? Its a tricky subject at the best of times, guaranteed to bring out some tomahawks seeking your scalp. You'll be luck to escape with your skin on Veterans Day or on a Veterans Day thread.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. (Because that is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--for each other and everybody else--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.)

    Equality and consent of the governed: We're all equal. How can another legitimately govern me without my express consent?

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    Sometimes it is harder than others to remember that part of the package for being a veteran is listening to folks say things you disagree with on a very fundamental level and going "I am still glad you have the ability to exercise your fundamental rights".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmg50cal View Post
    What is all this "soldier" business, do people who can't swim or qualify to fly only think of themselves, too bad for all the other vets, forgotten are the seamen, airmen and marines.

    Semper Gumby
    We had our own celebration yesterday; the Marine Corps birthday is 10Nov. [there ain't no smiley with a grin big enough]

    And, besides, you left out the Coast Guard.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. (Because that is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--for each other and everybody else--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.)

    Equality and consent of the governed: We're all equal. How can another legitimately govern me without my express consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    We had our own celebration yesterday; the Marine Corps birthday is 10Nov. [there ain't no smiley with a grin big enough]

    And, besides, you left out the Coast Guard.
    No, I didn't leave out the CG. I said seamen which would cover both Navy and Coast Guard, marines would also cover the CG as the men of the United States Revenue Cutter Service were indeed called Revenue-Marines. I would have otherwise said sailors, airmen, marines and coasties.

    The USCG has its birthday Aug 4th.

    I am a coastie vet and the Semper Gumby reference was missed apparently.


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    [QUOTE=Freedom1Man;1850961]Okay, please identify how the modern soldier does ANYTHING to protect your rights.


    OK if there were no military in our country how long do you think it would take before another country took us over. The simple fact that we have a military and heavy duty weapons is a deterrent.

    I have to agree with DamonK what kind of people are you hanging out with. I know my son and his people would not obey an unlawful order he has told me so many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    OK if there were no military in our country how long do you think it would take before another country took us over. The simple fact that we have a military and heavy duty weapons is a deterrent.

    I have to agree with DamonK what kind of people are you hanging out with. I know my son and his people would not obey an unlawful order he has told me so many times.
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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    Well, I guess we would just follow the constitution.

    I don't know why some people on here don't remember what the Militia is.

    A standing army is not needed at all. Besides there is not much that our ARMY could do if another country did decide to invade. Our NAVY I am sure would do it's best to slow them down though.
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