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Interesting night in Raleigh...and why restaurant/bar carry should be legal.
- Thread starter frogfish
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Because I have no way of knowing who at the door without opening it first. There's no peek hole, can't see nothing from the windows. What else am I going to do?
papa bear
Regular Member
thanks for your input GRAPESHOT. i was not texting right when i said that it has only been 2 years. i know that is where the VA tuck came from.
HEEL, i have been a bouncer too, it seems like i get a knife pulled a lot more often then anything, but know that because it is against the law doesn't mean that someone is not carrying a firearm. most people who carry are very discreet about it and won't pull one unless they need to. now if it were legal to have one then good LAC would be the ones carrying and they would not pull one on you, period. also, you know that a business owner could tell everyone to check their guns when they came in and give them back when they leave
the main stay of this thread is we need to get the government out of every bodies business
HEEL, i have been a bouncer too, it seems like i get a knife pulled a lot more often then anything, but know that because it is against the law doesn't mean that someone is not carrying a firearm. most people who carry are very discreet about it and won't pull one unless they need to. now if it were legal to have one then good LAC would be the ones carrying and they would not pull one on you, period. also, you know that a business owner could tell everyone to check their guns when they came in and give them back when they leave
the main stay of this thread is we need to get the government out of every bodies business
NC-Heel
Regular Member
Since you have made that statement and playing by your rules this must be a substantiated fact please document where I have stated I am against open carry?
I have stated I am against carrying while consuming alcohol and I am against any additional N.C. Statutes concerning Open Carry. As I have stated and asked to be disproven N.C. has no statutes that govern open carry directly. The gist of N.C. being an open carry state is that it is not defined as illegal. For open open carry in ABC establishments to be legal ABC establishments would have to be removed from the places where possession of a firearm is not allowed. The removal of ABC establishments from that list would make it legal to open carry in restaurants and consume alcohol which I am against. My personal opinion. To allow open carry in restaurants and not allow people to consume alcohol would require statutes for open carry, which I am also against.
I find it kind of hard for me to be against open carry when I open carry every day.
NC-Heel
Regular Member
I've had 3 incidents with firearms, all in the 90's. Mexican with a pistol in Rural Hall that refused to leave after his firearm was spotted in '92. Two times in '94 in High Point. One was a guy got into a verbal altercation with the Italian's from the local pizza place (I know they were carrying) over a chair. As I spotted the altercation and headed in that direction the guy, who was seated reached into his leather jacket and produced a S&W revolver. I grabbed the barrel and spun the muzzle to his chest as I took him to the ground. Third one where a firearm was involved was escorting a intoxicated subject from the club to the door. He walked outside and as we turned to go back inside he re-entered the door and shot the manager in the shoulder blade and ran.
I considered all these people to be LAC's till they were not.
What sane person would hand a loaded weapon registered in their name to a stranger? Would you? Next open carry event we attend together let me hold your GLOCK (I believe that is what you were carrying last time) for you.
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NC-Heel
Regular Member
I find it funny that you reference a resource that can not even back up its' own claims. Click North Carolina or Virginia from the drop down menus to see what the limitations of carry are and all you see is Not Yet Determined and Currently Being Researched. So how did they come up with what color each state should be? Guess I just have to take their word for it.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
So are there police reports on these incidents? I would like to see some documentation.
NC-Heel
Regular Member
There are as all three people were arrested. You have my permission to file a FOIA request, not that you need my permission.
MKEgal
Regular Member
Impossible.NC-Heel said:
I'm sure there are laws prohibiting the intoxicated possession or use of a firearm,
as well as laws prohibiting assault (the threatened use of force),
so what you posit can't happen.
Laws stop crime, right?
If you're scoffing & saying "of course not", what makes you think a law against drinking alcohol while cc would have any effect on behaviour?
The way our legal system works is that if there's not a law against something it's legal.
So there will be no law saying OC is legal.
There may be laws saying that cc is illegal, then providing exceptions (such as being on one's property or having a privilege permit).
WalkingWolf said:
Thanks for the LOL No, citing would be something like this:NC-Heel said:
See forum rule #5
Notice that I give the information I'm talking about (or citing), as well as a link where you can read it yourself (bolded & blue).
heel said:
You think the Constitution isn't the law????
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Case numbers and police dept?
News reports?
Dates?
Something?
Weather report?
Hair ball reports from the local pound?
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NC-Heel
Regular Member
No idea on the case numbers as it happened 15+ years ago. The departments are Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and High Point City Police Department.
http://www.forsythsheriff.org/
http://www.high-point.net/police/
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
How the hell am I supposed to find anything with that? Give some real information, dates, names, locations, report numbers?
Police can I help you
Yes I would like to find the reports for three people arrested in a bar
When
I don't know
Where
I don't know
Police operator laughing
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NC-Heel
Regular Member
I don't keep up with any of that. Got no reason to. Guess you want me to actually travel to the police departments and file a request for the information then deliver it to you also, want me to make you cookies too? Got nothing to prove to you and could care less if you find the information so bugger off.
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Well you did once you brought it up, it is up to you to back it up. It is not my responsibility to search for information that probably does not exist.
NC-Heel
Regular Member
How do you figure that? Please cite one forum rule where personal accounts are not allowed unless official documentation exists? I don't think you actually live in North Carolina please prove that you actually reside in N.C. You've stated you live in N.C. but I think that is --verbiage deleted by Moderator--.
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
You need to control yourself, it does not help your cause. My residence was not brought up as part of the argument, you used claims that again you are not willing to back up. Plus you have SC on your profile but claim NC, I never called you on it. I am not going to bother Grapeshot this time of night, but all I have to do is call him, and my caller ID will corroborate my location, but only if he deems it, otherwise you can bugger off.
I'll give you this tonight, I live in Olivia, but have a Sanford address. Sanford is in Lee County, Olivia is in Harnett county. Highways 421, US1, 87, 42 run through Sanford. If one takes US 1 it takes them to Apex, Cary, and Raleigh. 421 takes a person to Greensboro. I am a few miles from Jonesboro, we shop in the Food Lion that is on Highway 87 in Spout Springs but it actually has a Cameron address, before the food lion was built it belonged to the Cagles of Cagle furniture. We used to go dancing in Club 5th up in Greensboro, if you are actually from there you should know about it.
Need anything else?
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The site owners have provided that information from sources deemed reliable/knowledgeable on each state's laws. It is a Cliff Notes reference for purposes of OCDO.
"Not Yet Determined" = not yet entered/not yet reduced for publication as preparing such in a format consistent in style is a time consuming effort and I think there have been other demands/priorities on the time of the site owners.
You do not have to "take their word for it". You could make a documented, annotated study with links to the OC laws of all 50 states + D.C (maybe the U.S. possessions & territories too) and prepare a report to be reviewed by the site owners or their designee. I'm sure that if well prepared and presented John and Mike would appreciate it.
ncwabbit
Regular Member
strange ncheel...your profile lists SC...yet you cast the stone ...i sure am confused about your thought processes.
wabbit
ps: glad you have a social group to belong to in Charlette
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carolina guy
Regular Member
Since the NC GA is quite fond of making things more complicated than necessary, they could EASILY allow OC/CC in places that serve alcohol, but is age restricted for entry (21+). This would allow OC/CC in bars and night clubs, but not change a thing for restaurants. (gotta ask why I could not take my family out for supper at a restaurant that serves alcohol and be able to protect them??)
Further, if they wanted to allow people to carry (OC or CC), they could easily state that the carrying of firearms is prohibited if alcohol is present in the carrier's blood. They could also, just make it a level higher felony to use a firearm illegally while drunk...for what that would be worth.
How about just assume that the majority of people will be responsible and hold the one's who are not accountable for their actions?
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Because that does not further the "Bad Open Carrier" agenda. Much like the "Bad Biker" stereotype agenda we have seen from the leader of a organization that claims they are looking out for our rights, and demand our support.