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Sign the Petition, fellow Virginians:
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Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Because Patrick Henry isn't the governor anymore.
Historical note: If Henry had his way, VA would never have ratified the constitution. Henry was a very vocal anti-constitutionalist (sometimes called Anti-federalists). He and many others quickly figured out the constitution would give us a powerful central government that would break its chains and worked vigorously to oppose ratification. The problem for the Anti-federalists seems to be partly that many of them focused on the lack of a Bill of Rights, a simple and easy argument for salt-of-the-earth people to grasp. Madison & Co. pulled an shrewd manuver by agreeing to add a Bill of Rights. Suddenly a lot of the opposition was satisfied, leaving men like Patrick Henry isolated in their opposition, too few in number to prevent ratification. History shows us too well how very right Patrick Henry was.
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DrMark
Lone Star Veteran
Yep. Someone described it as "trolling Obama." I can appreciate that.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
We'll let them find out when they encounter the toll booths at the VA end of the Potomac bridges. Too bad for them if they get all the way across the bridge before finding out; they had their chance to move the border to the middle of the channel back in 1865.
Ahhhh. Nice daydream, eh?
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SouthernBoy
Regular Member
Not the best place to discuss this as it would veer from forum topical subject matter.
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SouthernBoy
Regular Member
Because Patrick Henry isn't the governor anymore.
Historical note: If Henry had his way, VA would never have ratified the constitution. Henry was a very vocal anti-constitutionalist (sometimes called Anti-federalists). He and many others quickly figured out the constitution would give us a powerful central government that would break its chains and worked vigorously to oppose ratification. The problem for the Anti-federalists seems to be partly that many of them focused on the lack of a Bill of Rights, a simple and easy argument for salt-of-the-earth people to grasp. Madison & Co. pulled an shrewd manuver by agreeing to add a Bill of Rights. Suddenly a lot of the opposition was satisfied, leaving men like Patrick Henry isolated in their opposition, too few in number to prevent ratification. History shows us too well how very right Patrick Henry was.
Patrick Henry and George Mason were so adamant in their insistence on a Bill of Rights that they refuse to ratify the Constitution with this. Madison believed that there was no need for a Bill of Rights because the Constitution already spelled out what the federal government was allowed to do, but Henry and Mason would have none of it. They finally managed to convince Madison and the rest is history as they say. The one thing that our delegates did do was to include a caveat with their ratification. This effectively made Virginia secession legal since the Constitution is a contract between the states and the Federal government.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ratva.asp
Our Virginia Founders were indeed wise men.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Where my understanding differs is that Henry did not accept the constitution after the Bill of Rights was added. For him the lack of a Bill of Rights was a secondary argument to add persuasion toward opposition. His main objection was a powerful central government.
USNA69
Regular Member
WhatI did not like was the requirement to provide your e-mail address to whitehouse.gov in order to sign. Now they have the signers on file.
Looking back, I should have created a a new e-mail address in order to receive the confirmation e-mail, then deleted the address.
You may think it is silly, but there are already 800,000 residents in 50 states that might disagree with you.....and that number is growing daily.
http://tinyurl.com/b7kk34c
Is it "fake" or is the intent just not obvious to you? This is a well thought out effort that has gone viral - it [strike]will[/strike] is getting considerable attention. The results will be published. It does require a response and I think OCDO will carry the news.
Now do I think that each of the states individually could make a go of it? Not really, but a confederation/amalgamation of states more in keeping with what the founding fathers envisioned would be refreshing. Still not likely, but we've already agreed that isn't the intent of the petition.
What does this have to do with OC in Va? If OC specific postings were the only thing permitted in the state sub-forums, then the question might have more merit, but there are other things that qualify and they run a broad range. Consider CC classes, red light cameras, Guns Save lives products + local and state elections - that list is not all inclusive either. AND then we have the recent presidential/congressional election which was covered in the Virginia sub-forum, which brings us to the point - many people are immensely dissatisfied with the results of that election and the path our representative leaders have chosen for us. They are the conservatives, the freedom lovers, the solid proponents of the RKBA. This is one way they can protest legally, unlike some of the more radical responses that have floated around this forum.
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ed
Founder's Club Member - Moderator
(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
So we have a difference of opinion as to how the rules are to be applied and when, perhaps it would have been of benefit to ask for a decision from John first. Are all of the similar threads in other state sub-forums being moved also? Seems precipitous and arbitary if not.
I had already requested a decision from John. I can abide by whatever verdict he gives.
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Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Too late. I've already posted in other states' threads. Kinda unfair to ask them not to post here in my state's subforum, now.
You're probably right - I'll delete that reference.
The original thought though was based on this thread being the only one in General Discussion.
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EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
Well now that that's repealed, John did post this on the Washington forum yesterday for a similiar thread...
They're not even required to do that. No law or regulation compels it. This is a site on which the administration has said they'll respond to topics that get the required number of names. The administration knows this is a cutesy PR stunt and, if they answer at all, it's going to be a blanket "No. Shut up and color."
OK, I didn't look up a law, just read the form....now, your point is?
You're free to complain about it all you want. That won't influence what I do in the least, I'm just curious about why. It was off topic but Ed took care of that (which is interesting in itself and I hope isn't setting the stage for political discussions he doesn't like)
Don't feel ignored if I don't answer. I'm going hunting for the next few days or a week. ( I haven't killed anything this week)
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I have left the threads discussing the individual petitions in the individual state forums because there is great interest in discussing the issue.
Therefore, I have moved the thread back to the Virginia forum.
John
Therefore, I have moved the thread back to the Virginia forum.
John
Not complaining at all. Because I don't support secession doesn't mean others agree.
I am simply amused that those who claim to support it feel the need to ask the White House.