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    Hope nobody renewed their Champions Arms Membership

    Place is up for sale, and according to King 5 might be closed in a few days

    http://www.king5.com/news/investigat...179196361.html

    Way to bad of mojo from that place according to atf and news investigation

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikedzombies View Post
    Place is up for sale, and according to King 5 might be closed in a few days

    www.king5.com/news/investigators/Pawn-shop-tops--179196361.html

    Way to bad of mojo from that place according to atf and news investigation

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    Isn't one of our forum members the "General Manager" there?


    I find it interesting that shops like this find themselves in deep "guano" with all the "knowlege and technology" at their fingertips yet the old fashioned shops that have been in business for what seems like forever avoid the problems with the ATF.

    "High Volume" doesn't always mean lots of problems with "crime guns". Let's face it, there's more pressure from the Government on "illegal guns" and those who want to be lax in their record keeping and procedures will more likely than not end up in the same situation.

    How many times have we read right here on this Forum, whenever new gun laws are proposed, the statement "Just enforce the ones we have"?

    Maybe "GoGo" and "M-1" can fill us all in with the "inside scoop".
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    Re: Hope nobody renewed their Champions Arms Membership

    If I remember one of the members here is the manager and has been for a few months/year now.. Wonder if he knew what he was walking into...

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    A manager might not necessarily control what an owner is doing, from I hear the manager bailed maybe he knew something ahead of time.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Isn't one of our forum members the "General Manager" there?


    I find it interesting that shops like this find themselves in deep "guano" with all the "knowlege and technology" at their fingertips yet the old fashioned shops that have been in business for what seems like forever avoid the problems with the ATF.

    "High Volume" doesn't always mean lots of problems with "crime guns". Let's face it, there's more pressure from the Government on "illegal guns" and those who want to be lax in their record keeping and procedures will more likely than not end up in the same situation.

    How many times have we read right here on this Forum, whenever new gun laws are proposed, the statement "Just enforce the ones we have"?

    Maybe "GoGo" and "M-1" can fill us all in with the "inside scoop".
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    A manager might not necessarily control what an owner is doing, from I hear the manager bailed maybe he knew something ahead of time.
    I parted ways in the middle of October. The license problems were from 2009 and before. I had no control over the past license issues, nor the direction the owner is taking the business.
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    That sucks... I like going over there and using their range. And they were very nice people .

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    Quote Originally Posted by conandan View Post
    That sucks... I like going over there and using their range. And they were very nice people .
    You don't have to stop going there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spikedzombies View Post
    Place is up for sale, and according to King 5 might be closed in a few days

    http://www.king5.com/news/investigat...179196361.html

    Way to bad of mojo from that place according to atf and news investigation

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    This is exactly the type of "news" story that was running non-stop in the 80's & 90's throughout California.



    Have 'ya all been to a Kali gun shop lately? No merchandise. Just a little ammo, some junk .22 long rifles leaning against the wall and clothing.
    They may be able to order you a gun, as long as you have a permit to buy, take a class, take a test and oh yes, that gun better not have any "evil"
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    I can understand having a few forms get missplaced or filled out wrong. And I mean a few, it can get hectic sometimes in a store and maybe paperwork gets set down behind the counter and they help someone else, ends up in another pile of papers.

    But how do you loose 58 guns??? Stories like these, give ammo so to speak to people wanting more gun control. How easy is it for them to say if a gun shop can't control it's inventory and abide to law. They coud say "Imagine how many crime guns are sold person to person..."

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    I am amazed at how many of you are so conditioned that you immediately agree that the paper work was filled out incorrectly when you should be saying why is this paperwork required in the first place. Most of you have gotten so used to the required paper work you now think it is OK.

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    Orphan,

    I prefer your way of thinking. It's a hard sell to spin it and say why is any of it needed. Even if that makes sense to many of us. We are by far the minority. So many people are willing to have the paperwork to appease the ones that don't even think we should have guns. You add those two groups together and sadly they far out number us. All the more reason why things like this shouldn't happen so we can move forward with things like constitutional carry and less restrictions on sales.

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    I became a legal adult before the forms, the prohibited persons, the GCA68...I was in Vietnam when the GCA68 was passed...but I will tell you, there was less "gun crime" (as they like to all it...crime committed using a firearm) then, then there is now.

    I attribute most of this crime to another misguided law The CSA 1970. both should just go away.

    I agree with Orphan, even the gun owners have come to accept something as normal that shoul not be at all.

    Oh yes, and the voters of WA have just elected Lowry's clone as gov...I'm almost glad my time on earth is getting to it's end, but I feel for my kids and grandkids
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    from the Champion Arms website:

    Many of you may have seen the Video on King 5, news. We at Champion Arms want to let you know that the range and all classes will continue as normal. The store will be under new ownership operating as Champion Arms, LLC in the same Kent location. Contrary to the way the King 5 broadcast might lead viewers to believe, Champion Arms had administrative problems with paperwork and was not alleged to have sold firearms to criminals or inappropriate persons.

    The range, classes and all memberships and passes will still be honored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    business for what seems like forever avoid the problems with the ATF.
    Ha...I remember ... my hours of operation on the dealer form ... I put 2am-3am Sunday only....never saw the ATF in over 20 years of dealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Ha...I remember ... my hours of operation on the dealer form ... I put 2am-3am Sunday only....never saw the ATF in over 20 years of dealing.
    Hahaha! Good on you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleWingsfan View Post
    Orphan,

    I prefer your way of thinking. It's a hard sell to spin it and say why is any of it needed. Even if that makes sense to many of us. We are by far the minority. So many people are willing to have the paperwork to appease the ones that don't even think we should have guns. You add those two groups together and sadly they far out number us. All the more reason why things like this shouldn't happen so we can move forward with things like constitutional carry and less restrictions on sales.
    Agreed, we are the minority unfortunately. I just ask that people think before they respond with their knee jerk reaction. It s an uphill battle but a worthy battle none the less. Remember training is what you will fall back on every time and we have been well trained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    from the Champion Arms website:

    Many of you may have seen the Video on King 5, news. We at Champion Arms want to let you know that the range and all classes will continue as normal. The store will be under new ownership operating as Champion Arms, LLC in the same Kent location. Contrary to the way the King 5 broadcast might lead viewers to believe, Champion Arms had administrative problems with paperwork and was not alleged to have sold firearms to criminals or inappropriate persons.

    The range, classes and all memberships and passes will still be honored.
    Thanks Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    I parted ways in the middle of October. The license problems were from 2009 and before. I had no control over the past license issues, nor the direction the owner is taking the business.
    Yeagers had a similar problem up here several years ago, the rumors were running wild, like they were selling to underage kids and Canadians.....it was just stupid licensing issue an error on filling out the paper work.

    Hope you didn't think I was insinuating you had anything to do with anything from my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    from the Champion Arms website:

    Many of you may have seen the Video on King 5, news. We at Champion Arms want to let you know that the range and all classes will continue as normal. The store will be under new ownership operating as Champion Arms, LLC in the same Kent location. Contrary to the way the King 5 broadcast might lead viewers to believe, Champion Arms had administrative problems with paperwork and was not alleged to have sold firearms to criminals or inappropriate persons.

    The range, classes and all memberships and passes will still be honored.
    Thanks Bill, wouldn't expect the media to get the facts straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Oh yes, and the voters of WA have just elected Lowry's clone as gov...I'm almost glad my time on earth is getting to it's end, but I feel for my kids and grandkids
    Lots of us "old timers" say this too. Unfortunately, when talking to a lot of "kids and grandkids" that make up the younger generation, many of them support the philosophy of today's Democrats.

    As for the "Forms" and bureaucracy associated with gun purchases, doing away with it will never gain any traction. It's pretty widely accepted that some people should not be able to own firearms, either due to their past actions, or their mental state. In order to sort them out, paperwork and background checks will be a way of life.

    All I can say is that in 50 years of buying guns I've never been "inconvenienced" more than 20 minutes or so when buying from a Dealer. In 2010, over 78,000 firearm purchase attempts were denied. This was less than .5% of all purchases so no matter what "we" think, the fact that 78,000 who should not have had firearms at least were denied the ability to obtain them from legal sources.

    Now if only the "legal gun owners" would just keep them secured properly there'd be less available from "illegal" sources.

    The case of Ben's Loads and Champion Arms should be a clear message to other FFL's. If you kept sloppy records it might be a good time to clean them up if you can.

    Yeah I know, opinions vary. This one's mine and I'm keeping it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyisfalling View Post
    Have 'ya all been to a Kali gun shop lately? No merchandise. Just a little ammo, some junk .22 long rifles leaning against the wall and clothing.
    They may be able to order you a gun, as long as you have a permit to buy, take a class, take a test and oh yes, that gun better not have any "evil" features.
    Yeah, like a magazine release you can operate without having to dig out some special tool, screwdriver, or the tip of a bullet. Oh so evil.. /sarcasm
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    Both Shops I frequented, both I no longer frequent

    I have over $10K that I spent in Bens loans in the last 15 years. Then came an American Eagle Luger. I paid all but $49 of it on the spot in cash and went back the following day to pay off the rest. No Gun, No paperwork, No office receipt. Nothing but my receipt. Had to wait another 3 days for the counter guy to verify my claim that I had paid $650 in cash already, and that there was no gun, nor paperwork, nor even a file on the gun which had been in for a pawn. All gone. It took over a month to get my money back. Never did see the gun again. In fact no one in the store saw it again. It magically disappeared without paperwork. Shortly after that a couple of employees left the employment of the store.

    My experience with Champion comes a few years back. I agreed to buy a first gen Glock 17 from the owner. He pulled a bait and switch and I passed on the deal. He took offense as 1 glock is as good as another in his opinion and he was trying to get me a newer model... yet I was buying the Gen 1 because it was a gen 1 and he knew it. I haven't been back since to the store.

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