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    Think Legos are fun? Think agian -- guy with lego gun shot at by cops

    http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/11/...made-of-legos/


    “While on the ground, he made a movement to grab the gun and they just jumped on him. At that point, they slid the gun away from him and discovered it was made out of Legos,” Akers told The Seattle Times.

    Smooth move ....

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    I sense sarcasm? What did you expect the cops to do?

    The Seattle Times reports police got multiple calls about a man waving a gun at passing vehicles.

    “The first deputy arrived minutes later and the man ignored her commands. When the man pulled the handgun from his waistband and raised it, the deputy fired about 25 yards away,” Deputy Charlie Akers told the paper. “The man dropped to the ground and other deputies moved in to handcuff him.”
    Nothing here sounds awry.
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    So the officer fired from 25 yards away, and the developmentally disabled man was not harmed? Where did the bullet go? Did it kill someone's dog? Also, what sort of legos was he using? I mean, it's been quite some time since I've played with them, but don't they still come in blue, green, red and yellow colors? Did the police or passersby genuinely believe he was lethally armed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    So the officer fired from 25 yards away, and the developmentally disabled man was not harmed? Where did the bullet go? Did it kill someone's dog? Also, what sort of legos was he using? I mean, it's been quite some time since I've played with them, but don't they still come in blue, green, red and yellow colors? Did the police or passersby genuinely believe he was lethally armed?
    They also come in blacks and grays. I could make a very convincing gun out of legos that would fool most people from 25 yards away.

    As far as where did the bullet go, rule 4 is for those cases where you miss your target - be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
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    Legos can make pretty convincing guns.


    'smooth move' - this sarcastic comment should be made for the dude waving a lego gun at cars, not the responding officers who arrived on the scene and saw this.
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    Lookie lookie ... police apologists are here !

    I thought cops knew everything ! They are all powerful, all knowing, right?

    Clearly the mentally challenged kid did not have a high quality lego pseudo-gun going on ...

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    Clearly???

    Do you have access to information the rest of us do not?

    There were multiple calls of a man waving a gun at passing cars. So it must've been somewhat realistic to fool a lot more than just the cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Lookie lookie ... police apologists are here !
    Of course they are here. Your thread is attempting to make the cops in this scenario look like they're in the wrong, when the only one that seems to be in the wrong here was the guy waving what appeared to be a gun at passing cars.

    Did the police or passersby genuinely believe he was lethally armed?
    If the police receive calls of a man waving a gun at passing cars, then they show up and see what appears to be a gun in the man's posession, why wouldn't they believe he was lethally armed?
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    As I said, it's been a LONG time since I've been around Legos. I was under the impression they still came in primary colors; when I am at the store, the gun counter is my toy aisle . Haven't paid attention to the kid's section of toys in over...15 years?

    When the article reports a lego gun, I was picturing something much more basic and brightly colored. IF the "gun" in question looked like the lego gun posted above, then I could see reasonable belief of danger.
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    Also bear in mind the time that this happened. If it happened at night, the rods in your eyes are much more receptive to light than the cones. Therefore, in night vision, color is subdued, and we see mostly in black-and-white and shades of gray. A red gun, being dark in color, could appear to be black.

    I don't know what time of day it was, but one must also consider that Lego's do come in black, white, gray, and a variety of other colors, dozens of them. One could make an orange Lego gun and mollify the antis a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    Of course they are here. Your thread is attempting to make the cops in this scenario look like they're in the wrong, when the only one that seems to be in the wrong here was the guy waving what appeared to be a gun at passing cars.


    If the police receive calls of a man waving a gun at passing cars, then they show up and see what appears to be a gun in the man's posession, why wouldn't they believe he was lethally armed?
    I agree conditionally and why I would only cautiously agree.

    A few months ago after an OC meet police arrived and approached one of our OC'ers because they received a call that he was arguing with someone and waving his gun around. His gun never left the holster and the baristas verified this. And he was never arguing with anyone (totally made up on the callers part).

    I am glad they didn't come in guns a blazing. I think though because of My actions and Johns the local PD are more cautious about these MWAG calls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I agree conditionally and why I would only cautiously agree.

    A few months ago after an OC meet police arrived and approached one of our OC'ers because they received a call that he was arguing with someone and waving his gun around. His gun never left the holster and the baristas verified this. And he was never arguing with anyone (totally made up on the callers part).

    I am glad they didn't come in guns a blazing. I think though because of My actions and Johns the local PD are more cautious about these MWAG calls.
    Well in your situation the police received "a call" about a man waving a gun around that hadn't been corroborated by any other witnesses. The news article reports that in this guys situation the police had already received "multiple calls about a man waving a gun at passing vehicles." I would hope that would make some bit of difference. Several witnesses > a single caller


    On the note of it possibly being a colorful toy, let's keep in mind that this doesn't always mean it's not a gun either.




    I'm not insisting that officers treat everyone with a super soaker as a shotgun wielding criminal, I'm just merely pointing out that you can indeed be holding a "toy" that is very well "lethal."

    Then you've got some people that like to take real guns and paint them orange to give the appearance of it being a toy. Not sure WHY someone would do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    Well in your situation the police received "a call" about a man waving a gun around that hadn't been corroborated by any other witnesses. The news article reports that in this guys situation the police had already received "multiple calls about a man waving a gun at passing vehicles." I would hope that would make some bit of difference. Several witnesses > a single caller


    On the note of it possibly being a colorful toy, let's keep in mind that this doesn't always mean it's not a gun either.




    I'm not insisting that officers treat everyone with a super soaker as a shotgun wielding criminal, I'm just merely pointing out that you can indeed be holding a "toy" that is very well "lethal."

    Then you've got some people that like to take real guns and paint them orange to give the appearance of it being a toy. Not sure WHY someone would do this
    Very true that is what leads more credence to the story for me and one reason why I normally someone who is very critical on government and their street warrior actions , agree with you.

    I would also say that in certain areas of Seattle I wouldn't be surprised if they received multiple calls made up like the one at Starbucks.

    Ahhhh Leonard......lol....
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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