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    Quick question about places that sell liquor.

    I know I cant OC inside a place that sells liquor, BUT, if I'm driving home from work, and stop for gas, but my weapon is obviously locked and unloaded in my trunk, would that still be illegal? I often go to Coney Islands after work for dinner and I know i cant OC in there without my CPL because they do serve beer, so I'm just wondering if I'm good to go if I leave my gun in my trunk.

    I tried to look for the laws and other things regarding this, but for some reason I either couldn't find them, or didnt really understand them.
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    Some interpret it as being okay, others do not.

    In order to be safe, I suggest not doing it.

    As I mentioned elsewhere the fact is if you're not OCing you're not so likely to get searched, but remember we walk a fine line anyway, so I would suggest not doing it.

    The lucky thing for you is that with how expensive it is to get a liquor license, there are plenty of restaurants and gas stations that don't have them, that would if this state was freer.




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    (a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.

    (b) A church or other house of religious worship.

    (c) A court.

    (d) A theatre.

    (e) A sports arena.

    (f) A day care center.

    (g) A hospital.

    (h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.

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    (a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.

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    (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    I know I cant OC inside a place that sells liquor, BUT, if I'm driving home from work, and stop for gas, but my weapon is obviously locked and unloaded in my trunk, would that still be illegal? I often go to Coney Islands after work for dinner and I know i cant OC in there without my CPL because they do serve beer, so I'm just wondering if I'm good to go if I leave my gun in my trunk.

    I tried to look for the laws and other things regarding this, but for some reason I either couldn't find them, or didnt really understand them.
    If possible, park as close as you can in a lot, area, along the curb, etc, that's not dedicated to the licensed venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    Some interpret it as being okay, others do not.

    In order to be safe, I suggest not doing it.

    As I mentioned elsewhere the fact is if you're not OCing you're not so likely to get searched, but remember we walk a fine line anyway, so I would suggest not doing it.

    The lucky thing for you is that with how expensive it is to get a liquor license, there are plenty of restaurants and gas stations that don't have them, that would if this state was freer.



    The Coney Island I go to is in a strip mall, so I guess technically I could park 5 spots down in front of the Video Game store..although I don't like my car being out of site when my firearm is in it.

    Also, I'll have to call some gas stations and see which ones don't sell alcohol.

    I'm going to take in my CPL Application Friday afternoon so hopefully I won't have to worry about this crap for too much longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    The Coney Island I go to is in a strip mall, so I guess technically I could park 5 spots down in front of the Video Game store..although I don't like my car being out of site when my firearm is in it.

    Also, I'll have to call some gas stations and see which ones don't sell alcohol.

    I'm going to take in my CPL Application Friday afternoon so hopefully I won't have to worry about this crap for too much longer.
    Be advised: Even some gas stations that do not sell booze, may still have a liquor license! See the thread on MSP asking for CPL's when they see OCers at Meijer's, Speedway gas stations etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Be advised: Even some gas stations that do not sell booze, may still have a liquor license! See the thread on MSP asking for CPL's when they see OCers at Meijer's, Speedway gas stations etc..

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...74#post1854574
    I saw that, I'll make sure to call any gas station to ask before driving onto their property. I don't really want to get arrested anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by autosurgeon View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    The Coney Island I go to is in a strip mall, so I guess technically I could park 5 spots down in front of the Video Game store..although I don't like my car being out of site when my firearm is in it.

    Also, I'll have to call some gas stations and see which ones don't sell alcohol.

    I'm going to take in my CPL Application Friday afternoon so hopefully I won't have to worry about this crap for too much longer.
    Remember permission is an exceptions to this statute. If you frequent a gas station and they sell alcohol, you can try and get written permission from the owner or their agent to have a firearm on site. GET IT IN WRITING. I suggest a generic permission slip you print out and have them sign. This may be hard to do, but worth a try.
    PERMISSION TO POSSES A FIREARM

    The undersigned as an Agent/Owner of this establishment, (Name of business), do hereby give permission to Mike the Greek to posses a firearm on these premises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    The Coney Island I go to is in a strip mall, so I guess technically I could park 5 spots down in front of the Video Game store..although I don't like my car being out of site when my firearm is in it.

    Also, I'll have to call some gas stations and see which ones don't sell alcohol.

    I'm going to take in my CPL Application Friday afternoon so hopefully I won't have to worry about this crap for too much longer.
    As long as the parking lot is shared, I seriously doubt where you park is going to make a difference. If it were me, I'd probably park as close to the front door as I can get.

    However, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. And it's been months since I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.
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    Re: Quick question about places that sell liquor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    As long as the parking lot is shared, I seriously doubt where you park is going to make a difference. If it were me, I'd probably park as close to the front door as I can get.

    However, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. And it's been months since I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.
    I believe in a strip mall-type structure, the parking spaces so not belong to any ONE business, so I should be okay. I definitely want my car as close to the door as possible if my firearm is inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    I believe in a strip mall-type structure, the parking spaces so not belong to any ONE business, so I should be okay. I definitely want my car as close to the door as possible if my firearm is inside.

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    Mike - you have to be careful, here's why: Most businesses based in a strip mall lease the store-front they are not the property owners per-se. Again there is a lot to learn. I just so happen to know of a fellow here who wrote a book on MI OC. Michigander knows him well and can probably get him to send you a electronic copy for nothing or next to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Mike - you have to be careful, here's why: Most businesses based in a strip mall lease the store-front they are not the property owners per-se. Again there is a lot to learn. I just so happen to know of a fellow here who wrote a book on MI OC. Michigander knows him well and can probably get him to send you a electronic copy for nothing or next to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Mike - you have to be careful, here's why: Most businesses based in a strip mall lease the store-front they are not the property owners per-se. Again there is a lot to learn. I just so happen to know of a fellow here who wrote a book on MI OC. Michigander knows him well and can probably get him to send you a electronic copy for nothing or next to it.
    Unless someone puts a sign in front of those spaces saying they are for that establishment, I think it would be a tough sell to say anyone who parked there was going to a certain store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    Don't need a free copy If someone gets me the link I'll order it tomorrow, whatever the price!
    http://www.citizensleaguesd.com/p/store.html They have a hard copy (nice to have in your car) and a download.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    Unless someone puts a sign in front of those spaces saying they are for that establishment, I think it would be a tough sell to say anyone who parked there was going to a certain store.
    Al - while I don't disagree, remember we advocate lawful carry. If he parks in the lot of a strip mall that one of the lease holders had a liquor license he "could be" in trouble while open carrying until he gets his CPL. I have personally had an officer attempt to strong arm the manager of a restaurant into saying they didn't want OCers. Fortunately the manager on duty said "he and his family eat here all the time and he is no threat to anyone, besides it's our policy to follow state law". With that the officer left red faced. You are from the rough and tumble streets of Mason (nice town); and I am sure most LE there attempt to follow the law. Mike runs in WAYNE Co. which has more than it's fair share of anti-OC LE officers in my experience there. Hell, I personally know of one police chief in the downriver area that sent officers to local businesses just to tell them that they did not have to allow OCers in their stores. This was after the President & VP of MOC had met with the chief and the cities command officers.

    Here is a prime example of the mentality of some of the officers in Wayne Co.
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    My point: let's take the conservative path with Mike on what we advise him to do until he gets his CPL; considering the areas he frequents.
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    Re: Quick question about places that sell liquor.

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    Al - while I don't disagree, remember we advocate lawful carry. If he parks in the lot of a strip mall that one of the lease holders had a liquor license he "could be" in trouble while open carrying until he gets his CPL. I have personally had an officer attempt to strong arm the manager of a restaurant into saying they didn't want OCers. Fortunately the manager on duty said "he and his family eat here all the time and he is no threat to anyone, besides it's our policy to follow state law". With that the officer left red faced. You are from the rough and tumble streets of Mason (nice town); and I am sure most LE there attempt to follow the law. Mike runs in WAYNE Co. which has more than it's fair share of anti-OC LE officers in my experience there. Hell, I personally know of one police chief in the downriver area that sent officers to local businesses just to tell them that they did not have to allow OCers in their stores. This was after the President & VP of MOC had met with the chief and the cities command officers.

    Here is a prime example of the mentality of some of the officers in Wayne Co.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2xO...hannel&list=UL

    My point: let's take the conservative path with Mike on what we advise him to do until he gets his CPL; considering the areas he frequents.
    My class is in 2 days and hopefully my cpl doesn't take too long to get processed.... until then I'm going to steer clear of any places I'm not 100% sure about o.o

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    While some will disagree, your best bet is to get a CPL so you don't have to worry about technicalities. There are too many "What ifs" if you OC without one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budlight View Post
    While some will disagree, your best bet is to get a CPL so you don't have to worry about technicalities. There are too many "What ifs" if you OC without one.
    I didn't think I'd ever want a CPL. After loading/unloading my firearm 5 times in an hour to put it in my trunk, I quickly changed my mind. I'll be so glad when I can have the comfort of my gun on my side while I'm driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    My class is in 2 days and hopefully my cpl doesn't take too long to get processed.... until then I'm going to steer clear of any places I'm not 100% sure about o.o

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    Mike make sure to check out the link. It's shocking, but there are still quite a few officers in your area that refuse to accept OC is legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Mike make sure to check out the link. It's shocking, but there are still quite a few officers in your area that refuse to accept OC is legal.
    If a cop ever told me to shut my mouth until he spoke, and took my gun. I'd tell him to kindly F**k himself and then sue his department.

    There is not understanding OC is legal, and there is knowing fully well it's legal, and being a total ****** about it and think nobody is going to do something about it.

    I seriously hope this cop got fired.

    This is one of the reasons I want to be a cop, everybody hates cops because most of them are serious scumbags there should be more good ones that don't harass people for no reason.

    Hopefully since this was 3 years ago, more police officers have stopped thinking OC is illega
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    If a cop ever told me to shut my mouth until he spoke, and took my gun. I'd tell him to kindly F**k himself and then sue his department.

    There is not understanding OC is legal, and there is knowing fully well it's legal, and being a total ****** about it and think nobody is going to do something about it.

    I seriously hope this cop got fired.

    This is one of the reasons I want to be a cop, everybody hates cops because most of them are serious scumbags there should be more good ones that don't harass people for no reason.

    Hopefully since this was 3 years ago, more police officers have stopped thinking OC is illega
    Well we threw a couple of OC parties just for Westland After that the Chief sent out a city wide memo. But no the officer involved was not fired to my knowledge. I kinda like being called a "F"ing Glory fighter!" However this low IQ officer missed the point, we fight for all law abiding citizen's rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Well we threw a couple of OC parties just for Westland After that the Chief sent out a city wide memo. But no the officer involved was not fired to my knowledge. I kinda like being called a "F"ing Glory fighter!" However this low IQ officer missed the point, we fight for all law abiding citizen's rights.
    I'm going to start wearing a shirt that says "F*cking Glory Fighter" on the front and "Big Shot" on the back, that way if a cop asks me why I'm OCing I can just point at either one and smile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Here is a prime example of the mentality of some of the officers in Wayne Co.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2xO...hannel&list=UL
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Al - while I don't disagree, remember we advocate lawful carry. If he parks in the lot of a strip mall that one of the lease holders had a liquor license he "could be" in trouble while open carrying until he gets his CPL. I have personally had an officer attempt to strong arm the manager of a restaurant into saying they didn't want OCers. Fortunately the manager on duty said "he and his family eat here all the time and he is no threat to anyone, besides it's our policy to follow state law". With that the officer left red faced. You are from the rough and tumble streets of Mason (nice town); and I am sure most LE there attempt to follow the law. Mike runs in WAYNE Co. which has more than it's fair share of anti-OC LE officers in my experience there. Hell, I personally know of one police chief in the downriver area that sent officers to local businesses just to tell them that they did not have to allow OCers in their stores. This was after the President & VP of MOC had met with the chief and the cities command officers.

    Here is a prime example of the mentality of some of the officers in Wayne Co.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2xO...hannel&list=UL

    My point: let's take the conservative path with Mike on what we advise him to do until he gets his CPL; considering the areas he frequents.
    As I recall, the question was with regards to parking his car in the strip mall lot, and leaving his weapon secured in his vehicle while he's in an establishment that sells alcohol. Not OCing into said establishment. Not having been to that particular place, I don't know for certain how it's setup, but in general, who's to say where he parks at? As has been pointed out, without a CPL he couldn't even park in the lot of a business that sold alcohol. But, being in a strip mall, unless there are signs delineating a specific area as being for said establishment, he would not be parking in a lot for the restaurant. Therefore, it should be legal for him to leave his weapon locked in his vehicle, should it not? That, is what I was referencing.

    Unless the restaurant has parking spaces in the mall lot marked with visible signs for patrons of their establishment only, the spaces can and would be used by customers for all the stores in the strip mall. I don't think this is a giant leap. I also don't think it's encouraging any illegal activity.

    And while I live in Mason now, I used to live AND work in Chicago. I had many "good nights" in Chi town that make bad nights in Detroit look like a picnic. I used to work security and private investigations in the area where Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor homes used to exist. And there were more than a few Chicago cops who thought I must be crazy for working down there. Truth be told, I wasn't crazy, I was just damn stupid.
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