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    Minnesota Meet In December!

    Hey there everyone!

    I think itís about time to have a meet! I think December will be the best since a lot of the hunting seasons come to a close and a break between holidays. I can open a thread for how everyone did this season to!

    As of right now Iím thinking Billís Gun Shop in either:

    -Robbinsdale (eat at the Lodge before/after would be nice)
    -Circle Pines (have not been there, donít know of grub shacks around there, anyone know?)

    Iím thinking the weekends of December would be best unless the mass of us say otherwise (sat or sun or other)
    -1st (sat)
    -2nd (sun)
    -8th (sat)
    -9th (sun)
    -15th (sat)
    -16th (sun)
    -22nd (sat)
    -23rd (sun)

    Please let me know which location, then which date(s) work best for you so we can all agree on the best day or even more than one day so we can do more than just one meet.

    I should at Billís in Robbinsdale every Sunday around noon and seems to be easy to get in a lane quick so Iím thinking noon or so for the days picked unless the mass of us agree on something else.

    Please feel free to voice in on any ideas or different locations!!! Itís always great to go to other ranges. Maybe someone has a private range or a membership at a range we could all shoot at?

    Voice up or you wonít be heard!

    Thanks,
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    Will this be an "Open Carry Event"? Or will the Minnesota contingency of anti's be present also? The last thing I need is to spend Christmas in jail / hospital / morgue because of a set up by anti-open carry Minnesota police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    Will this be an "Open Carry Event"? Or will the Minnesota contingency of anti's be present also? The last thing I need is to spend Christmas in jail / hospital / morgue because of a set up by anti-open carry Minnesota police.
    Why that quantum leap? Dramatic, but has any carry event in Minnesota ever been so reduced?

    When you give up your rights, you get exactly what you deserve..............nothing.

    I beleive what the OP is proposing is a meet-up of like minded people, assembling peacefully and legally. He would IMO be better off setting a place and time - build it and they will come. Otherwise you'll still be talking about the details come Christmas.
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    Fuller Malarkeys- I'm not quite sure if that was a rhetorical question or just trying to push a feeling of yours on this thread. May I ask if you reside in Minnesota Fuller Malarkeys?

    Thank you grapeshot for addressing Fuller Malarkeys post, much appreciated!

    Anyways yes this will be an open carry event if you choose to do so but NO one shall be exiled because they are not open carrying. Maybe there are some new permit carriers that need to see how we handle open carry so they can build up the confidence to do so like we all once had to do. If someone likes to conceal, by all means go for it! All are welcomed to the event, just keep the peace.

    Please note if you plan on carrying at the meet you CANNOT upholster that weapon within Billís so please make sure you donít carry the gun you intend to shoot!

    I shoot every Sunday at the same time, maybe everyone can just try to make it on the Sundays that works for them instead of picking certain dates. I donít know, but I would like to get our pro 2A people closer and meeting up once in a while! I havenít had a chance to meet anyone yet on here, Iím taking it upon myself to change that instead of complaining.

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    Here is the same threat on Minnesota carry forum just incase anyone wants to see others voice in: http://www.carryforum.com/forum/view...207802#p207802

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Why that quantum leap? Dramatic, but has any carry event in Minnesota ever been so reduced?

    When you give up your rights, you get exactly what you deserve..............nothing.

    I beleive what the OP is proposing is a meet-up of like minded people, assembling peacefully and legally. He would IMO be better off setting a place and time - build it and they will come. Otherwise you'll still be talking about the details come Christmas.
    No quantum leap Grapeshot. Open carry is ridiculed and open carriers are harassed on most Minnesota firearms related forums....and in real life.

    http://www.carryforum.com/forum/view...lit=open+carry

    http://www.carryforum.com/forum/view...lit=open+carry

    http://www.carryforum.com/forum/view...lit=open+carry

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...lit=open+carry

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...+carry#p393216

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...+carry#p390608

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...+carry#p388593

    This incident:

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ite-my-permit/

    Was justified in the "gun community" of Minnesota

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...0c1d35#p360810

    So, no, I don't think it's out of line to ask what kind of gathering this might be. Who is invited. What the "theme" will be....an open carry event where carriers can meet and greet and build trust among themselves and with the community, or a set up for the anti's to embarrass, humiliate or possibly kill someone not knowing what they're walking into. If you can predict how far an anti-open carry cop or police force can and will push an issue, I'll find my concerns addressed. Since you can't, I'll ask specifics about what I or someone I may bring along may encounter.

    Just for hoots, read this one....

    http://www.carryforum.com/forum/view...f017b010acd29e
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    [QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by Minnesota View Post
    Fuller Malarkeys- I'm not quite sure if that was a rhetorical question or just trying to push a feeling of yours on this thread. May I ask if you reside in Minnesota Fuller Malarkeys?
    I have purchased commercial property in Minnesota and am renovating it for retail lease. I arrived here the first week of March. I am also working throughout the states of Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota on a contract project. I am a resident of Virginia, where open carry is a right of citizenship. In attempting to understand the legalities of open carry in Minnesota, I have encountered some telling responses to questions, like the following from a deputy sheriff:

    "I do believe that it's time for you to put your money where your mouth has so boldy gone. You've agitated and stirred on this topic in two dififerent forums. Strap your pistol on in plain sight and start walking around. Downtown MPLS, downtown St. Paul, Mall of America, Southdale Mall. Take notes and report back."

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...&sd=a&start=15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    No quantum leap Grapeshot. Open carry is ridiculed and open carriers are harassed on most Minnesota firearms related forums....and in real life.

    --snipped--

    This incident:

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ite-my-permit/

    Was justified in the "gun community" of Minnesota

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...0c1d35#p360810

    So, no, I don't think it's out of line to ask what kind of gathering this might be. Who is invited. What the "theme" will be....an open carry event where carriers can meet and greet and build trust among themselves and with the community, or a set up for the anti's to embarrass, humiliate or possibly kill someone not knowing what they're walking into. If you can predict how far an anti-open carry cop or police force can and will push an issue, I'll find my concerns addressed. Since you can't, I'll ask specifics about what I or someone I may bring along may encounter.

    Just for hoots, read this one....

    http://www.carryforum.com/forum/view...f017b010acd29e
    Snipped the trash talking CC forums - they're not worth considering.

    The one incident that has any significance (man leaving nightclub - 1st remaining link) is followed up with the 2nd link which ends with the statement "Any new news on this? Kind of fell off the screen didn't it?" Bottom line is we don't know where the truth lay in that one-sided report.

    You have responded with one possibly valid incident amidst a wall of links (more drama) and w/o any information from the other side of "he said" and no current state of the matter. There may be an entirely different ending than the one you suggest. I don't know and you appear to not know.

    The 3rd link regarding police harassment has occurred in isolated circumstances in all states, including Va. I'm not going to read 5 pages, but doubt the OCer truly ended up on the short end of the stick.

    I still hold that you played the "drama card" to excess. Here are you words to which I originally replied:
    "The last thing I need is to spend Christmas in jail / hospital / morgue because of a set up by anti-open carry Minnesota police."

    After a statement like that, I would have expected to see valid incidents with blood running down the streets or worse.

    If you don't chose to OC in Minnesota, don't; but leave it to others to make decisions based on facts not emotions.

    What I find strange is that even though in the interim the OP has clarified his intent, you still persisted in the same vein as if he had not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnesota View Post
    -Circle Pines (have not been there, don’t know of grub shacks around there, anyone know?)
    Live near there,
    Bamboo Betty's, Cowboy Saloon, McD's, Monterrey's Mexican, all a stone's throw away. I'd love to join you for food, but I won't go to bills.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    Will this be an "Open Carry Event"? Or will the Minnesota contingency of anti's be present also? The last thing I need is to spend Christmas in jail / hospital / morgue because of a set up by anti-open carry Minnesota police.
    I open carry every day anywhere from Bloomington, to St. Could, to White Bear Lake, never had an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Snipped the trash talking CC forums - they're not worth considering.
    Hardly. There's great info available there. Chew the meat, spit out the bones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnesota View Post
    Please note if you plan on carrying at the meet you CANNOT upholster that weapon within Bill’s so please make sure you don’t carry the gun you intend to shoot!
    Not true. You can carry in the gun you want to shoot holstered, and unholster it at the line. You cannot draw from the holster and fire.
    Last edited by robdoar; 11-22-2012 at 12:30 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robdoar View Post
    Live near there,
    Bamboo Betty's, Cowboy Saloon, McD's, Monterrey's Mexican, all a stone's throw away. I'd love to join you for food, but I won't go to bills.

    I open carry every day anywhere from Bloomington, to St. Could, to White Bear Lake, never had an issue.

    Hardly. There's great info available there. Chew the meat, spit out the bones.

    Not true. You can carry in the gun you want to shoot holstered, and unholster it at the line. You cannot draw from the holster and fire.
    Thanks Robdoar - that kind of "been there, done that" report is appreciated. Carrys a lot more weight than the emotional/hypothetical rants of others.

    John Pierce, one of the owners of OCDO, finished his law degree in Minnesota not very long ago. Obviously he is a major proponent of OC and never reported any negative personal experiences when there.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 11-22-2012 at 08:58 AM.
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    Thanks robdoar and grapeshot for the great input and info!

    I will be at Bill's in Robbinsdales this Sunday around noon. I am bringing my girlfriend as always and her friend is taging along that has never shot a pistol! Cant wait to pull her into the dark side! haha

    if you happen to be there shoot me a text: six one two five five eight one one zero three

    I will try to make it to either of the Bill's on tuesday Nov. 27th around 7pm.

    -Nick-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    John Pierce, one of the owners of OCDO, finished his law degree in Minnesota not very long ago. Obviously he is a major proponent of OC and never reported any negative personal experiences when there.
    Know John well. We will miss him at the Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.
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    I couldn't help but chime in here, since Mr. Malrkey quoted part of what I,(deputy sheriff) said about open carry in the Twin Cities.

    I have purchased commercial property in Minnesota and am renovating it for retail lease. I arrived here the first week of March. I am also working throughout the states of Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota on a contract project. I am a resident of Virginia, where open carry is a right of citizenship. In attempting to understand the legalities of open carry in Minnesota, I have encountered some telling responses to questions, like the following from a deputy sheriff:

    Quote Originally Posted by tman065
    "I do believe that it's time for you to put your money where your mouth has so boldy gone. You've agitated and stirred on this topic in two dififerent forums. Strap your pistol on in plain sight and start walking around. Downtown MPLS, downtown St. Paul, Mall of America, Southdale Mall. Take notes and report back."
    http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.p...&sd=a&start=15[/QUOTE]


    Here's the entire quote from the original thread, which includes some bits that were conveniently left off.
    Quote Originally Posted by tman
    Quote Originally Posted by fuller malarkey
    Some other thoughts....

    624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.

    Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty. (a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25.

    Petty misdemeanor for "failing to produce ze document". How will it look on the ol' ICR if the "perp" is beaten/killed for a petty misdemeanor?


    Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.

    Doesn't say you shall be shot, beaten, jailed or sodomized for "failing to produce ze document". And your weapon isn't up for grabs. Does the statute not say "not subject to forfeiture"? If "someone" attempted to seize your weapon for "failure to produce ze document", would that not be an unlawful act on the part of the person doing the seizing??



    (b) A citation issued for violating paragraph (a) must be dismissed if the person demonstrates, in court or in the office of the arresting officer, that the person was authorized to carry the pistol at the time of the alleged violation.

    (c) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder must write a sample signature in the officer's presence to aid in verifying the person's identity.

    (d) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder shall disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.

    Doesn't say "surrender your weapon" there, does it?

    My input is in bold. Just food for thought.

    I do believe that it's time for you to put your money where your mouth has so boldy gone. You've agitated and stirred on this topic in two dififerent forums. Strap your pistol on in plain sight and start walking around. Downtown MPLS, downtown St. Paul, Mall of America, Southdale Mall. Take notes and report back.

    If that type of activism isn't for you, let us know WHAT you're ACTUALLY DOING to change the law to something more in-line with whatever your personal views may be.
    My point was that he's been "full of" Malarkey on the MN forums, and I wanted him to actually step away from the rhetoric and take some action. Taken out of context, I can see where it might appear that I'm making some sort of other kind of dare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tman065 View Post
    --snip--


    My point was that he's been "full of" Malarkey on the MN forums, and I wanted him to actually step away from the rhetoric and take some action. Taken out of context, I can see where it might appear that I'm making some sort of other kind of dare.
    Others have said as much - also manipulating quotes so as to change the message is a violation of forum rules. Consequently, he has attracted the attention of the administration/moderators.

    BTW - welcome to OCDO. We try to be responsible and law abiding in all that we do. Hope you stay and continue to contribute - Minnesota could use a boost.
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    Re: Minnesota Meet In December!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    BTW - welcome to OCDO. We try to be responsible and law abiding in all that we do. Hope you stay and continue to contribute - Minnesota could use a boost.
    Thanks!

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    Had a great day at Bills in Robbinsdale yesterday! Got to bring out Hannah, a new shooter! She did wonderful for her first time ever shooting pistols. Kristine, my girlfriend did amazing as usual! She deffinatly keeps me on my toes in trying to hit as many bullseyes as she does! All in all the taurus 1911 45acp, taurus 992 22lr/mag, sig 1911. 22lr, and gp100 38special got a work out! Hannah now wants a sig 1911. 22lr lol

    Hannah

    kristine

    me, reloaded about 50 clips for the sig 1911 with only two ftf/fte on weak/dud bulk ammo.

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    I just moved to Shakopee, anyone near that area?
    If a meet-up is set up, I can drive/car pool.

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