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    Wayne County Sheriff Department OC?

    I tried calling them today...forgetting it was Thanksgiving...still on Canadian holiday time.

    When I go down there on Tuesday to get my CPL processed, am I allowed to OC? I remember hearing something a long time ago about banning firearms in public buildings is illegal or something like that, and as long as I'm int he Public parts of their department I should be fine.

    Does anyone have experience with OCing in the Sheriff Department?

    I don't really mind getting harassed while I'm there, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal.
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    Wayne County Sheriff Department OC?

    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    THAT is where I heard about this. Thanks. I'll make sure I put this video on my phone too when I go down there.
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    Wayne County Sheriff Department OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    THAT is where I heard about this. Thanks. I'll make sure I put this video on my phone too when I go down there.
    http://Qik.com

    Get it for your phone. Use it.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Re: Wayne County Sheriff Department OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    http://Qik.com

    Get it for your phone. Use it.
    I will download it now and use it if I run into trouble. me...being kinda extremely shy I probably won't record anything unless I abaolutely need to. Hopefully they won't hassle me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    I will download it now and use it if I run into trouble. me...being kinda extremely shy I probably won't record anything unless I abaolutely need to. Hopefully they won't hassle me.

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    I record every time I walk out the door. I would definitely record when I go in the local PD to drop off paperwork. By the time you think you should turn on the recorder it is likely already too late to record the important stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    I will download it now and use it if I run into trouble. me...being kinda extremely shy I probably won't record anything unless I abaolutely need to. Hopefully they won't hassle me.

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    Just me but...

    If I were to go there knowing the.. umm... attitude/atmosphere I'd likely encounter I'd walk in with at least one recording already running and a friend with at least one of his recorders running.....

    Let me say it this way...

    You carry a gun with bullets already in it to protect your life why wouldn't you carry a recorder already running to protect your freedom?
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    You carry a gun with bullets already in it to protect your life why wouldn't you carry a recorder already running to protect your freedom?
    Because he's an extremely shy mohawk wearing, tattoo covered guy, that carries a great big gun in full view on his hip.....makes perfect sense

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    lol...I will be setting my phone on record as I walk in the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    lol...I will be setting my phone on record as I walk in the door.
    Mike - after the big hooptie doo in July of 2010 at the Henry Ruff post in Westland, they actually moved the County Clerk's window to other side of the office. Now it, the Clerk's / CPL desk is physically separated (at great expense I'm told) from the sheriff's desk/counter by a Wall & has it's own entrance. This was done to keep carriers away from the sheriff's. You still may be required to get prints in the sheriff's area. If this is the case you can carry in the lobby area, but they will make you disarm to go behind the counter where prints & photo's are taken.

    They seem to be terrified of open carriers at the Wayne Co. sheriff's Your tax dollars being wasted by the best of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Wow! This video has over 100,000 views?

    ETA - I went back to this post about 2 months after this video was shot. The sign was still up. I went in and talked to Lt. Praydell(? spelling) He stated he wasn't going to change anything until he got orders to do so. MOC went downtown & asked to speak to Sheriff "Benny" about this. He was unavailable but a month or so after this the Red no carry sign were replaced by Yellow signs saying no weapons allowed in "secure area's".

    Mike it would probably be best to secure your weapon before you go into "their" building unless you have a crowd of supporters with you to keep them from "jumping" you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Wow! This video has over 100,000 views?

    ETA - I went back to this post about 2 months after this video was shot. The sign was still up. I went in and talked to Lt. Praydell(? spelling) He stated he wasn't going to change anything until he got orders to do so. MOC went downtown & asked to speak to Sheriff "Benny" about this. He was unavailable but a month or so after this the Red no carry sign were replaced by Yellow signs saying no weapons allowed in "secure area's".

    Mike it would probably be best to secure your weapon before you go into "their" building unless you have a crowd of supporters with you to keep them from "jumping" you.
    I'll just explain to them...while being recorded, that I will happily disarm if they need me to go into a secure area. They can secure my firearm or I can secure it in my car, but I will be carrying in all public areas of the station.

    I enjoy following the law, not the Sheriffs preference
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    I'll just explain to them...while being recorded, that I will happily disarm if they need me to go into a secure area. They can secure my firearm or I can secure it in my car, but I will be carrying in all public areas of the station.

    I enjoy following the law, not the Sheriffs preference
    Mike - I'm just saying they seem to be a bit "beat down" happy there. Be prepared for a a$$ whipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Mike - I'm just saying they seem to be a bit "beat down" happy there. Be prepared for a a$$ whipping.
    If I didn't have my heart set at working as a Wayne County Sheriff one day...I'd welcome the beat down and take a few of them on gladly

    I dont think they'll just run in an attack me, if they ask me to disarm and won't listen that it's the law...yes, I will disarm and put my weapon in my trunk. Either way I'm there for my CPL, not like I can just walk out and not get my papers processed.

    I was going to go down there with someone I know who is an Ex- Wayne county Sheriff, but he got tired of Michigan and moved to Texas last week without telling anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
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    I was going to go down there with someone I know who is an Ex- Wayne county Sheriff, but he got tired of Michigan and moved to Texas last week without telling anyone.
    Well I can certainly understand his frustration. But Texas? yuck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Well I can certainly understand his frustration. But Texas? yuck!
    That's what I said. He has no family, no friends down there. He loaded up his truck and just took off one morning. Strange.

    I would go somewhere a bit nicer!
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    [Thread hijack] What's wrong with Texas? [/Thread hijack]
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    [Thread hijack] What's wrong with Texas? [/Thread hijack]
    Nothing per-se, however this being a OC site & Texas is a NON OC state = yuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    [Thread hijack] What's wrong with Texas? [/Thread hijack]
    I'll have to check a map to be sure but I seem to remember that a good portion of it is in Texas

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    Re: Wayne County Sheriff Department OC?

    OC is very welcomed here, although they take fingerprints in the "secure area" so it's out to the car to disarm for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    OC is very welcomed here, although they take fingerprints in the "secure area" so it's out to the car to disarm for me

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    Good to hear Mike. Maybe seeing themselves on YouTube has helped their attitude
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    OC is very welcomed here, although they take fingerprints in the "secure area" so it's out to the car to disarm for me

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    Did you have to pass through metal detectors into the "secure area of the jail"?

    Macomb County keeps the finger print area (which is accessed by THOUSANDS of people smartly outside the "secure area" of their jail. Seems better to limit the amount of people you have to unnecessarily screen when they aren't there to visit the jail.

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    Re: Wayne County Sheriff Department OC?

    Small door off to the side of the room where they took the fingerprints had a "secure area, no firearms" sign. the door was behind the front desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTheGreek View Post
    Small door off to the side of the room where they took the fingerprints had a "secure area, no firearms" sign. the door was behind the front desk.

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    Wayne County..what a joke. So they are hoping a thug who's concealing a firearm to break out one of his buddies will see their "no firearms" sign and turn around and leave? If you are not walking through a metal detector, you are not in "the secure area of a jail". Just because an area of a Police/Sheriff department isn't immediately open to the public, doesn't automatically make it a PFZ.

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    I had "other business" at the Ingham County Sheriff's office back in December of 2010. When I went there and asked where to go, a Lieutenant took me through a door and down a hallway to the office I was looking for. Before we started, I informed him I had a pistol and asked if I needed to disarm first. He just asked me, "Do you have a CPL?" to which I said yes, and he said "Ok, no problem, just follow me." And off we went. He took me where I needed to go, and I finished my business there and left.

    I am sometimes surprised at how often LEOs will take my word that I have a CPL. Mind you, I'm not complaining, I'm just amazed.
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