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    Hello everyone! My name is Michael but I go by Pickup. I'm a 26 year old, married, college student at Northeastern State University. I've been following the "I Support Open Carry In Oklahoma" FaceBook page for quite some time now.

    Now to my question. I've read the law several times but I'm still sort of puzzled as to what my best course of action is in my situation. I deliver sushi for a local Chinese takeout restaurant and I CC on the job because I go door to door and don't want to make my customers weary by OC'ing or have them develope an aversion for OC'ers. (I OC off the job) My dilemma is that this is a college town and the Cherokee Nation Headquarters so I must make frequent deliveries to the college facilities and establishments that are owned by the Cherokee Nation (housing, hospital, job corps, the Cherokee Nation complex, casinos, etc.) Cherokee Nation's policy is anti-gun on all their property and even have a sign before you enter the parking lot at the casino that says "All weapons prohibited from this property." So, how should I store my weapon when I must disarm to visit these areas?

    I may be mistaken but when it comes to the college I take the law to mean I can not leave my vehicle unattended with my weapon locked inside. What constitutes "unattended"? For the most part I usually stay within a line of sight while delivering to the dorms, but if I have to deliver to faculty I might have to enter a building.

    Thanks for the opinions in advance and sorry if my format or grammar ia less than perfect, I composed this from a mobile application.

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    Introduction and query

    Welcome to the group..

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    Introduction and query

    Not sure on your questions someone else might want to speck to that.

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    Welcome aboard, as to your questions the biggest problem I see is the Cherokee Nation property. That would likely entail some digging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickupm View Post
    Hello everyone! My name is Michael but I go by Pickup. I'm a 26 year old, married, college student at Northeastern State University. I've been following the "I Support Open Carry In Oklahoma" FaceBook page for quite some time now.

    Now to my question. I've read the law several times but I'm still sort of puzzled as to what my best course of action is in my situation. I deliver sushi for a local Chinese takeout restaurant and I CC on the job because I go door to door and don't want to make my customers weary by OC'ing or have them develope an aversion for OC'ers. (I OC off the job) My dilemma is that this is a college town and the Cherokee Nation Headquarters so I must make frequent deliveries to the college facilities and establishments that are owned by the Cherokee Nation (housing, hospital, job corps, the Cherokee Nation complex, casinos, etc.) Cherokee Nation's policy is anti-gun on all their property and even have a sign before you enter the parking lot at the casino that says "All weapons prohibited from this property." So, how should I store my weapon when I must disarm to visit these areas?

    I may be mistaken but when it comes to the college I take the law to mean I can not leave my vehicle unattended with my weapon locked inside. What constitutes "unattended"? For the most part I usually stay within a line of sight while delivering to the dorms, but if I have to deliver to faculty I might have to enter a building.

    Thanks for the opinions in advance and sorry if my format or grammar ia less than perfect, I composed this from a mobile application.
    This is my understanding of Native American (most tribes) way of handling these things...this comes from experience with western tribes, but I think you will find similar. Large, tribal owned facilities will require permission from the tribal council, individually owned Establishments usually only require the permission of the individual.

    Formally petition the Tribal council. Tell them you carry for your safety because you generally have quite a bit of cash on you and you would like their permission to carry into their establishments while you are working. You can give some online examples of delivery people being robbed as examples....I'll give you a 90% chance of success doing it this way.

    It has been my experience that if you respect them and their laws and traditions, they will respect and trust you.
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    Thanks!

    Thanks for the replies. hermannr I am swamped with legal writing as it is with finals coming up but as soon as I can I will follow your suggestion and write my council members a very detailed, cited, and articulate request. As for in the mean time, does anyone have suggestions on how to store the weapon in my vehicle on tribal and university property? I consider maintaining possession of my firearm prudent while on the job but I do not want to risk state or tribal infractions.

    I will be contacting the Tribal Marshall's office tomorrow to validate this but my wife works at the job corps and her supervisor says it is fine as long as it's locked in the car while parked and kept there, but what about while parked at the university?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickupm View Post
    Hello everyone! My name is Michael but I go by Pickup. I'm a 26 year old, married, college student at Northeastern State University. I've been following the "I Support Open Carry In Oklahoma" FaceBook page for quite some time now.

    Now to my question. I've read the law several times but I'm still sort of puzzled as to what my best course of action is in my situation. I deliver sushi for a local Chinese takeout restaurant and I CC on the job because I go door to door and don't want to make my customers weary by OC'ing or have them develope an aversion for OC'ers. (I OC off the job) My dilemma is that this is a college town and the Cherokee Nation Headquarters so I must make frequent deliveries to the college facilities and establishments that are owned by the Cherokee Nation (housing, hospital, job corps, the Cherokee Nation complex, casinos, etc.) Cherokee Nation's policy is anti-gun on all their property and even have a sign before you enter the parking lot at the casino that says "All weapons prohibited from this property." So, how should I store my weapon when I must disarm to visit these areas?

    I may be mistaken but when it comes to the college I take the law to mean I can not leave my vehicle unattended with my weapon locked inside. What constitutes "unattended"? For the most part I usually stay within a line of sight while delivering to the dorms, but if I have to deliver to faculty I might have to enter a building.

    Thanks for the opinions in advance and sorry if my format or grammar ia less than perfect, I composed this from a mobile application.

    You can legally leave your firearm in your locked vehicle on college property. It is elementary and secondary schools where you can not leave it in your car. Used to do this all the time when I took classes at UCO.
    I am not a lawyer and nothing I say should be accepted as legal advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrdware View Post
    You can legally leave your firearm in your locked vehicle on college property. It is elementary and secondary schools where you can not leave it in your car. Used to do this all the time when I took classes at UCO.
    See I was thinking something along that line of thought, but I was unsure if a secondary school would encompass an university or just "high school".

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    Get a Life Jacket firearm case (link below). They are small form fitting cases that cover the trigger and hammer. I keep one in my truck at all times. You could also enclose a cable in the case before you lock it, and lock the cable to a seat post. That is what I do.

    http://www.bullseyegear.com/bullseye...&cat=17&page=1
    Last edited by cbxer55; 11-25-2012 at 09:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    Get a Life Jacket firearm case (link below). They are small form fitting cases that cover the trigger and hammer. I keep one in my truck at all times. You could also enclose a cable in the case before you lock it, and lock the cable to a seat post. That is what I do.

    http://www.bullseyegear.com/bullseye...&cat=17&page=1
    I really like the idea of that! I'm looking into local shops to try to find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickupm View Post
    I really like the idea of that! I'm looking into local shops to try to find one.
    Good luck finding one in a local shop, most have probably not heard of this particular item. I bought mine online direct from the source way back in 2003.

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