Shadow Bear
Michigan Moderator
I thought Costco's policy was zero carry?
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Cracker Barrel
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I thought Costco's policy was zero carry?
Shadow Bear
Michigan Moderator
Further information clarifies the situation. His first post was pretty foggy.
Probably would have helped if his first post detailed the entire situation, rather than a generalized question with no detail behind it.....
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Some ideas to help I hope.
Guys I hate to break it to you but this is all about "perception" and greed. Al's idea is a very good one; and should be our first course of action in my opinion. If that should fail the next option should be to organize "safety" protests outside of the cracker barrels near media outlets. Why? Today's media is fat, dumb, and lazy. It must be a "too easy" story often to make the news. Target their peak business hours i.e. weekends during the dinner rush. When asked why you are doing this? Make sure everyone is on the same page. Talking points: (1) if cracker barrel will not provide for our protection, then why should we be at the mercy of violent robbers? (2) State law allows for the carrying of firearms, why doesn't cracker barrel follow state law like other restaurant chains (Star Bucks, McDonald's, Arby's, Taco bell, etc..)
Greed will go a long way in making their choice easier to follow state law. Armed security details get expensive. Perception - no business wants to have their utter lack of security exposed ever. Why? Because they don't want the public understanding that going there is simply a roll of the dice, and snake eyes could cost them their lives. This coupled with media attention will aid them into making the right choice, which is to follow state law.
I know many here despise the idea of "getting in anti-2A establishments faces", to those I say: without motivation no one ever decided to change. Why would you think a business would be any different?
Guys I hate to break it to you but this is all about "perception" and greed. Al's idea is a very good one; and should be our first course of action in my opinion. If that should fail the next option should be to organize "safety" protests outside of the cracker barrels near media outlets. Why? Today's media is fat, dumb, and lazy. It must be a "too easy" story often to make the news. Target their peak business hours i.e. weekends during the dinner rush. When asked why you are doing this? Make sure everyone is on the same page. Talking points: (1) if cracker barrel will not provide for our protection, then why should we be at the mercy of violent robbers? (2) State law allows for the carrying of firearms, why doesn't cracker barrel follow state law like other restaurant chains (Star Bucks, McDonald's, Arby's, Taco bell, etc..)
Greed will go a long way in making their choice easier to follow state law. Armed security details get expensive. Perception - no business wants to have their utter lack of security exposed ever. Why? Because they don't want the public understanding that going there is simply a roll of the dice, and snake eyes could cost them their lives. This coupled with media attention will aid them into making the right choice, which is to follow state law.
I know many here despise the idea of "getting in anti-2A establishments faces", to those I say: without motivation no one ever decided to change. Why would you think a business would be any different?
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griffin
Regular Member
OCed at the Cracker Barrel in Okemos tonight. No issues.
griffin
Regular Member
I agree about perception, and I think if a bunch of "gun-totin' open carriers" get on the news by staging some sort of picket outside Cracker Barrel, the public perception of us will not be good.
We need to be more professional, not less.
If you want to inform the management that you will no longer eat there if he asks you to leave, fine. Be polite. You wouldn't start yellin' and carryin' on, would you? " 'elp, 'elp, I'm bein' oppressed!"
Yes, but the letter posted here somewhere said something along the lines of "if you're concealing [successfully], we are ignorantly blissful." Obviously, that's an anecdotal paraphrase.
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Who said anything about being unprofessional? Not me. Your words.
There were some who said the same thing about our fighting the ARTS BEATS & EATS illegal gun ban. "The public will turn on us." This will lead to Lansing doing away with preemption". Guess what? NONE of that came to be. The only thing we have to fear is fear its self folks.
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Ezerharden
Regular Member
Good for Okemos, we are talking about the one in Monroe. No offense.
griffin
Regular Member
You advocated protests outside Cracker Barrel, a private company, during peak business hours where the media would report on it. I view that as unprofessional.
This was before I was involved in the OC community. Did you hold public protests and pickets at the AB&E? Hold up signs? Is AB&E a private company like Cracker Barrel that is actually allowed by law to make that rule? (I believe the answer to that is, "No.")
griffin
Regular Member
No offense taken.
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Oh how quickly we forget our past...
No offense meant Griff, but since you are newer at OC you may not understand the genesis of modern OC. In your mind the very same people who originally showed up outside of Star Bucks a few years back were unprofessional cry babies who cried discrimination. In my mind they were people trying protect theirs and others rights. Since their actions and Starbuck's decision to follow state laws, many other corporations have followed their lead. Please take a stroll down memory lane with me.
Excerpt from Huffington post via AP article dated 2/28/2010
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/28/starbucks-gun-policy-refu_n_480062.html
The advocacy group OpenCarry.org, a leading group encouraging the demonstrations, applauded Starbucks in a statement for "deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers."
"Starbucks is seen as a responsible corporation and they're seen as a very progressive corporation, and this policy is very much in keeping with that," said John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org. "If you're going to support individual rights, you have to support them all. I applaud them, and I've gone out of my way personally to let every manager of every Starbucks I pass know that."
Yep Griff, John must be one of those cry babies you are talking about.
No offense meant Griff, but since you are newer at OC you may not understand the genesis of modern OC. In your mind the very same people who originally showed up outside of Star Bucks a few years back were unprofessional cry babies who cried discrimination. In my mind they were people trying protect theirs and others rights. Since their actions and Starbuck's decision to follow state laws, many other corporations have followed their lead. Please take a stroll down memory lane with me.
Excerpt from Huffington post via AP article dated 2/28/2010
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/28/starbucks-gun-policy-refu_n_480062.html
The advocacy group OpenCarry.org, a leading group encouraging the demonstrations, applauded Starbucks in a statement for "deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers."
"Starbucks is seen as a responsible corporation and they're seen as a very progressive corporation, and this policy is very much in keeping with that," said John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org. "If you're going to support individual rights, you have to support them all. I applaud them, and I've gone out of my way personally to let every manager of every Starbucks I pass know that."
Yep Griff, John must be one of those cry babies you are talking about.
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smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
you are correct. their policy is zero carry. however, they removed it from their website in the last couple months. but they never replied to any of my emails or complaints.
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smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
not sure what this means...
smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
this whole thing is stupid. cracker barrel keeps loaded rifles up on the wall in their stores... if they cared that people were nervous around visible guns, they wouldn't have loaded guns on their walls.
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scot623
Regular Member
Loaded? How do you know that?
smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
USMC firearm safety rule #1:
Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
...unless i personally have inspected and cleared that rifle. it's loaded.
Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
...unless i personally have inspected and cleared that rifle. it's loaded.
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scot623
Regular Member
^works for me.
smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
:banana::banana::monkey:monkey:dude::dude:
griffin
Regular Member
On the contrary. I read your quoted article and I see nothing in there where people stood outside of Starbucks with signs or pickets or staged any type of occupying, public protest with media to disturb them during peak business hours such as you are advocating for Cracker Barrel.
It seems like they did the same thing I was advocating--just going about your regular business openly carrying. In some cases OCers did this together. But in no case did I read that they held public protests outside of private businesses in an effort to garner media attention and hurt the business' "bottom line" to pressure them to change their stance. In fact it was just the opposite. If a business asked them to leave, they did so and went elsewhere.
This is exactly the behavior I suggested in my previous post.
You also failed to answer my question about AB&E. Did you hold public protests and pickets at the AB&E? Hold up signs? It is also worth noting that AB&E is not a private company like Cracker Barrel and is not allowed by law to ban the lawful carry of firearms.
Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
I guess I'll just go else where.