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    CCRKBA joins with King Co. prosecutor v. armed teen thugs

    CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb: “His proposed changes in the law will have no bearing on the rights of legally-armed adults including more than 384,000 citizens who are now licensed to carry concealed in Washington, or the growing number of citizens who openly carry.” (emphasis added)

    That's in his press release, and it was handed out at the Wednesday press conference.


    CCRKBA joins forces with King County prosecutor against armed thugs

    The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms on Wednesday joined forces with King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg to hammer down on armed juvenile thugs, throwing its weight behind a proposal to toughen juvenile court standards.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/ccrk...id=db_articles

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    It's a breath of fresh air that the focus is on the teen gun wielders and not on the guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb: “His proposed changes in the law will have no bearing on the rights of legally-armed adults including more than 384,000 citizens who are now licensed to carry concealed in Washington, or the growing number of citizens who openly carry.” (emphasis added)

    That's in his press release, and it was handed out at the Wednesday press conference.


    CCRKBA joins forces with King County prosecutor against armed thugs

    The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms on Wednesday joined forces with King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg to hammer down on armed juvenile thugs, throwing its weight behind a proposal to toughen juvenile court standards.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/ccrk...id=db_articles
    This is good news Dave!

    One thing I think needs to be looked at is the education campaign. And not education of the juveniles, but the education of the .................MEDIA!

    Eyebrows went up at the press conference when reporters learned about the five conviction threshold.
    Perhaps with repeated education directed at reporters/investigative reporters that information like this could be in the forefront of a reporters mind when attending Ceasefire and other related groups "press conferences."
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    Oh good, another politically correct band-aid for the black on black crime problem.

    Spending time 'locked up' is looked on as a badge of honor. Spending more time 'locked up' will change nothing.

    Unless that segment of society changes from within, from the elimination of their 'no snitching' policy to the ending of their 'gangsta' mentality, this will change nothing.

    Oh well, at least everyone will feel good about 'at least we're doing something...'

    *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteLlama View Post
    Oh good, another politically correct band-aid for the black on black crime problem.

    Spending time 'locked up' is looked on as a badge of honor. Spending more time 'locked up' will change nothing.

    Unless that segment of society changes from within, from the elimination of their 'no snitching' policy to the ending of their 'gangsta' mentality, this will change nothing.

    Oh well, at least everyone will feel good about 'at least we're doing something...'

    *sigh*
    I agree with you, the whole concept of intimidating "snitches" has gotten out of control. Just look at that facebook page about "snitches in Tacoma" and the car that got subsequently burned.

    It is nice to see the media paying more attention to OC.

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    Makes for a nice News Release and Press Conference but when you sift the BS out of the Buckwheat all they are suggesting is more "juvie time" for these punks.

    Carrying a firearm is an "Adult Act". Doing so should receive Adult Punishment. No more letting the kid hold the "piece", "glock", "nine", "toaster", etc., just because they won't get any real time when caught. They want to join the "big boys" then let them get the same punishment. If they actually use the gun, then give them the sentence enhancement too.

    The "Juvenile" of today is no way, shape, or form, the same as the "Juvenile" of yesterday. They're getting more and more deadly, probably because society still treats them like it was still the "Beaver Cleaver" era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Makes for a nice News Release and Press Conference but when you sift the BS out of the Buckwheat all they are suggesting is more "juvie time" for these punks.

    Carrying a firearm is an "Adult Act". Doing so should receive Adult Punishment. No more letting the kid hold the "piece", "glock", "nine", "toaster", etc., just because they won't get any real time when caught. They want to join the "big boys" then let them get the same punishment. If they actually use the gun, then give them the sentence enhancement too.

    The "Juvenile" of today is no way, shape, or form, the same as the "Juvenile" of yesterday. They're getting more and more deadly, probably because society still treats them like it was still the "Beaver Cleaver" era.
    You left out gat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Makes for a nice News Release and Press Conference but when you sift the BS out of the Buckwheat all they are suggesting is more "juvie time" for these punks.

    Carrying a firearm is an "Adult Act". Doing so should receive Adult Punishment. No more letting the kid hold the "piece", "glock", "nine", "toaster", etc., just because they won't get any real time when caught. They want to join the "big boys" then let them get the same punishment. If they actually use the gun, then give them the sentence enhancement too.

    The "Juvenile" of today is no way, shape, or form, the same as the "Juvenile" of yesterday. They're getting more and more deadly, probably because society still treats them like it was still the "Beaver Cleaver" era.
    Are they? Check out the crime statistics, violent crime has been steadily decreasing since the 90's. It's now half the rate it was 20 years ago.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...tables/table-1

    Here's a link to Juvenile data:

    http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/...asp?ID=qa05200
    Last edited by skeith5; 11-29-2012 at 01:52 PM. Reason: updated juvenile data link

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteLlama View Post
    Oh good, another politically correct band-aid for the black on black crime problem.

    Spending time 'locked up' is looked on as a badge of honor. Spending more time 'locked up' will change nothing.

    Unless that segment of society changes from within, from the elimination of their 'no snitching' policy to the ending of their 'gangsta' mentality, this will change nothing.

    Oh well, at least everyone will feel good about 'at least we're doing something...'

    *sigh*
    So, what do you suggest? ? Shoot them on sight?
    Oh, that's gonna look good on the 5 o'clock news.

    I don't think you're getting this. Instead of cooking up some hairbrained gun control scheme that would probably ratchet down on OC first, and then CC, as a means of combatting illegally-armed punks, Satterberg trotted over to talk to the gun people, then he went over to the anti-gun people, and then he went to the state legislators and brought them all together with a plan that isn't going to cornhole gun owners, just the little scumbags who give guys like Adam Kline an excuse to come after us.

    For the first time since 3 Strikes and Hard Time - which were both products of the gun community - we've got a plan that targets bad guys instead of good guys. 15 to 36 weeks in the slam is not going to get a lot of fan love in the 'hood. If it convinces some of these idiots to not play big man with a gun, a problem I've seen with some adults, then it might just be a good thing.

    I did a little follow up comparing it to a really dumb idea that got hatched the other day in Connecticut. Satterberg's approach is miles ahead of Holder's

    While King County gets it right, Connecticut may not get it at all

    Yesterday’s announcement by King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg that he will push to toughen juvenile court justice, with support from the Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, seems a far better approach than one proposed by authorities in Connecticut to combat their gang violence problem.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/whil...id=db_articles

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapgood View Post
    It's a breath of fresh air that the focus is on the teen gun wielders and not on the guns.
    If the article is accurate, I would disagree with the statute and CCRKBA. The new game, according to the article, still criminalizes mere possession, rather than the crime committed using the gun--robbery, assault, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    So, what do you suggest? ? Shoot them on sight?
    Oh, that's gonna look good on the 5 o'clock news.
    Um... What?

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    I don't think you're getting this.
    I understand exactly what is being proposed. But again, it's another band-aid to the actual problem. Admittedly, a much more complex one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    If the article is accurate, I would disagree with the statute and CCRKBA. The new game, according to the article, still criminalizes mere possession, rather than the crime committed using the gun--robbery, assault, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    If the article is accurate, I would disagree with the statute and CCRKBA. The new game, according to the article, still criminalizes mere possession, rather than the crime committed using the gun--robbery, assault, etc.
    That would be my problem with it. It buys into the argument the gun an inanimate object is the problem.

    I know many young men who carry because they are afraid they aren't gang bangers, they aren't criminals, but they live in bad neighborhoods and want to protect themselves as much as any body in middle class or upper neighborhoods.

    Hell I did as a kid, when violent crime was a lot higher than now. I never used it but I was prepared too.

    I can forsee zealous prosecutors and cops misusing this statute.

    The anti gun bunch of not shut up even though as brought out violent crime is way way down this bill will not shut them up I feel it will only encourage them to take the next step then the next then the next.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I heard on the radio that they are going to pass safe storage laws also.

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    Incrementalism.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    I heard on the radio that they are going to pass safe storage laws also.
    Huh? What radio, who was talking and who is 'they' .....

    I'll do a search of submitted bills later, but to my knowledge this is just hearsay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
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    CCRKBA joins forces with King County prosecutor against armed thugs
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    The CCR.... sounds like a division of the KGB. ha

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