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    What your CPL application shows

    I had a chance to review the report that is ran when you apply or renew your WA CPL and found it interesting. In particular, it settled in my mind the question of whether a gun registry exists.

    The first page shows others with names and DOB similar to mine using a WA state database.

    Page 2 shows the criminal records for those with similar names and DOB and mentions that there was no exact match for me using a WA state database.

    Page 3 shows my NCIC report showing no records from NCIC, III, and NICS.

    Page 4 is from NCIC as well, I think it searched for felony records, extraditions, misdemeanors but it isn't clear.

    Page 5 is a DOL search showing height, weight, eye, hair, address, no DUI, accidents and my motorcycle endorsement.

    Page 6 is a DOL search showing address, height, weight, hair, eyes, any distinguishing marks, citizenship, alias, prior CPL number & expiration, issuing agency and a description of every handgun I have bought from an FFL going back almost 15 years. Under "DESCRIPTION OF CURRENTLY OWNED FIREARMS" it shows the purchase date, gun type, serial, maker, caliber, barrel length and who I bought it from. Again, it appears to be a state search and I have no way of knowing if this is a federal database, state or both, but it is there in black and white.

    Page 7 appears to be a list of my interactions with the police (I think it was when we had a problem with a neighbor's dog), but I'm not entirely sure.

    Right or wrong, that's the information available and what the police or sheriff see when you apply or renew.
    Last edited by Stein; 11-30-2012 at 03:26 PM.

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    If this is the information that pops up then I would argue that the report cannot be required as it contains information totally irrelevant to the application process.

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    Some agencies create reports not required by law, others do not. Your "list of contacts with police" and your FFL purchase records report are not required by law, but are probably run as a matter of curiosity. Pages 1-4, as you describe them, sound like the required-by-law inquires (WACIC/NCIC/III) - everything else is just fluff.

    This sort of "packet" of reports probably varies by agency.

    What's my "citation?" I have personally processed more than one of these applications. While that was a while ago, I have continued to monitor the law as it relates to CPL applications and approvals, and the requirements and practices have changed very little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stein View Post
    I had a chance to review the report that is ran when you apply or renew your WA CPL and found it interesting. In particular, it settled in my mind the question of whether a gun registry exists.

    The first page shows others with names and DOB similar to mine using a WA state database.

    Page 2 shows the criminal records for those with similar names and DOB and mentions that there was no exact match for me using a WA state database.

    Page 3 shows my NCIC report showing no records from NCIC, III, and NICS.

    Page 4 is from NCIC as well, I think it searched for felony records, extraditions, misdemeanors but it isn't clear.

    Page 5 is a DOL search showing height, weight, eye, hair, address, no DUI, accidents and my motorcycle endorsement.

    Page 6 is a DOL search showing address, height, weight, hair, eyes, any distinguishing marks, citizenship, alias, prior CPL number & expiration, issuing agency and a description of every handgun I have bought from an FFL going back almost 15 years. Under "DESCRIPTION OF CURRENTLY OWNED FIREARMS" it shows the purchase date, gun type, serial, maker, caliber, barrel length and who I bought it from. Again, it appears to be a state search and I have no way of knowing if this is a federal database, state or both, but it is there in black and white.

    Page 7 appears to be a list of my interactions with the police (I think it was when we had a problem with a neighbor's dog), but I'm not entirely sure.

    Right or wrong, that's the information available and what the police or sheriff see when you apply or renew.
    Is this something that anyone can access on themselves, or were you allowed access because you knew "someone"? I'd like to see mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadada View Post
    Is this something that anyone can access on themselves, or were you allowed access because you knew "someone"? I'd like to see mine.
    Inquiring minds would like to know.....

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    Would a freedom of info request be the best way to acquire a copy of this document? I would consider it no different from a "credit" report. It should be available to me in case bad info is being used. Maybe even if good info is being used.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stein View Post
    I had a chance to review the report that is ran when you apply or renew your WA CPL and found it interesting. In particular, it settled in my mind the question of whether a gun registry exists.

    The first page shows others with names and DOB similar to mine using a WA state database.

    Page 2 shows the criminal records for those with similar names and DOB and mentions that there was no exact match for me using a WA state database.

    Page 3 shows my NCIC report showing no records from NCIC, III, and NICS.

    Page 4 is from NCIC as well, I think it searched for felony records, extraditions, misdemeanors but it isn't clear.

    Page 5 is a DOL search showing height, weight, eye, hair, address, no DUI, accidents and my motorcycle endorsement.

    Page 6 is a DOL search showing address, height, weight, hair, eyes, any distinguishing marks, citizenship, alias, prior CPL number & expiration, issuing agency and a description of every handgun I have bought from an FFL going back almost 15 years. Under "DESCRIPTION OF CURRENTLY OWNED FIREARMS" it shows the purchase date, gun type, serial, maker, caliber, barrel length and who I bought it from. Again, it appears to be a state search and I have no way of knowing if this is a federal database, state or both, but it is there in black and white.

    Page 7 appears to be a list of my interactions with the police (I think it was when we had a problem with a neighbor's dog), but I'm not entirely sure.

    Right or wrong, that's the information available and what the police or sheriff see when you apply or renew.
    The firearm purchase ans CPL app record keeping ("may keep"..ha ha) requirement is anotehr one of Lowry's bunch of SH#$ RCW 9.41.129...originated 1994, modifed 2005. And we just elected Lowry's clone....everyone need to keep on their toes this term, lets not let Inslee be another Lowry.

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    And you wonder why the gun grabbers want to ban private sales.

    (ok, maybe you don't wonder)

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