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    That is a young man with his head on straight. I would have no problem hiring him.

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    I can't think of a business that would NOT fire an employee after such an incident (except maybe gun stores/pawn shops).

    Maybe a small business owner/Mom & Pop place wouldn't, but these corporate chains, TMK, ALL have a "don't resist" and certainly "no-guns" policies. Ask all the fired (but still alive) pizza-delivery people due to that, let alone many also-fired convenience-store clerks, too -- 2 of the most dangerous jobs out there!

    Even if some of these coprprations "secretly" believe an armed response makes sense (i.e., they understand REALITY), they just may be afraid of legal liabilities/lawsuits in the aftermath, especially if some innocent bystander gets shot in the process...so they just outright ban employees resisting & and even having guns, period.

    Whatever, I think it can be said with 99% accuracy (1% allowed for any diabolical exceptions, if any) that for an employee in MOST jobs, it's "use a gun and get fired."

    IMO, it's not RIGHT, but it's reality for most all businesses.

    When I am at a store and carrying (OC or CC, if the store doesn't ban it), I know that *I* probably am the ONLY one in the building who could respond on-the-spot to a robbery/psycho-shooter...everyone else there is 99% likely to be UNarmed (again, 1% allowed for the unlikely exception). Although I feel a clear sense of "freedom" carrying (and being able to protect myself, and others if need be), it's sad that all most employees can "do" is simply be victims...and possibly die.

    I don't see dying as a very effective "response" to crime -- unless it's the criminal doing it.
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    In this day and age of lawyers and prosecuters looking for upward movement, if he was able to escape the threat he'd have been better off staying out. Granted others inside may end up being hurt or killed. But it is the duty and responsibility of every capable man and woman to protect their own lives and not depend on others.

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    I wondered about the wisdom of going back into the store until he said that the manager thanked him. That seemed to imply that the manager was left defenseless inside.

    Good job on the employee's part. Autozone acted well within their rights, but (IMO) stupidly. Some other outfit will hire this gutsy kid and be better off for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I wondered about the wisdom of going back into the store until he said that the manager thanked him. That seemed to imply that the manager was left defenseless inside.
    Anyone can pull their gun in self-defense. It takes character and bravery to run from danger and return armed to defend others.

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    ...and I believe ANY citizen has a right to stop a felony-in-progesss ("citizen's arrest") so "getting involved" shouldn't be punished.

    After all, how many violent crimes have been in-progress but NO ONE "gets involved" to stop it, they just watch -- and afterwards, people critize that lack of care & compassion for others. Yet when someone DOES "get involved," people criticize THAT, too. It needs to be decided collectively (by everyone) which way it's supposed to be.

    I don't blame UNarmed people for not getting involved (self-preservation is the "Primary Law of Nature") especially if the criminal is armed, bigger/younger/stronger, or there are multiple criminals -- but that's one of the reasons for carrying: One IS able to "participate" on a fairly equal footing.

    People are less likely to get involved if they don't have to tools to do so.
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    Shame that the young man got fired for doing what any decent person would do.

    Way back in the Dark Ages, when I was stupid enough to work third shift in a convenience store, the owners told me that it was the insurance company that made them have the "no guns" policy for employees. As I understand it, that is the same thing that drives the "no loaded guns" policy of most gun shows.

    The owners also told me that, if I carried and had to use it, I would be fired. And added, "But we'll hire you back as soon as everything has settled."
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    "Ain't that what them fancy boys running around with badges get paid to do?" -- Devin Hutchison


    Yes.

    But I'm talking about an armed citizen who CHOOSES to get involved -- can't do so if he/she is as unarmed as the victim is.

    Of course, I would expect that armed citizens don't HAVE to get involved -- why FORCE people to put their lives on the line for others? I wonder if a citizen could be sued (criminally, civilly) for NOT getting involved...such as calmly sitting at his/her table while a psycho-shooter guns down employees and other customers, yet doesn't ACT until the shooter gets to his/her particular table?

    I don't think so. After all, COPS aren't legally liable, so why should armed citizens be. But even if there were no legal liability for not acting, wouldn't everyone (the general public, and maybe most people here in this Forum) hold it against someone ("morally" speaking, as if most people know anything about that concept nowadays) who did nothing to stop the carnage?

    I must add, that if I KNEW a victim(s) was anti-gun, I personally would NOT help him/her...would not want to tread on their personal anti-gun beliefs/values -- good luck to them. But in MOST cases, were I at a place that needs "intervention," I would not know anyone so probably WOULD act because I'm (somewhat rabidly) anti-street-trash/criminal -- and because I'm just a get-involved kind of guy. ;-)

    Still, IMO people who won't defend themselves deserve any negative results of that decision.
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    AutoZone Employee Uses Gun To Scare Off Robber, Gets Fired

    I agree that it was wrong of Autozone to fire that courageous associate. However, it is their right to set the standards for employment. Individuals can then choose not to work for such an employer, or, if they choose to work for them, they may later choose to risk their jobs by exercising their rights against policy.

    Again, morally wrong, but a right--one that I will defend as vocally as I do the RKBA, as much as I despise the exercise of the right to property in that particular manner.



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    The first thing this gentleman stated in the video is that he "feared for his life." He was able to escape from the threat. He should have stayed out.

    I wished we still lived in an America where helping others in these situations would get the praise of the police. And in his case a promotion. But the reality is it will more likely land you in court fighting to stay out of prison or paying a hefty civil settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I wondered about the wisdom of going back into the store until he said that the manager thanked him. That seemed to imply that the manager was left defenseless inside.

    Good job on the employee's part. Autozone acted well within their rights, but (IMO) stupidly. Some other outfit will hire this gutsy kid and be better off for it.


    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Shame that the young man got fired for doing what any decent person would do.

    Way back in the Dark Ages, when I was stupid enough to work third shift in a convenience store, the owners told me that it was the insurance company that made them have the "no guns" policy for employees. As I understand it, that is the same thing that drives the "no loaded guns" policy of most gun shows.

    The owners also told me that, if I carried and had to use it, I would be fired. And added, "But we'll hire you back as soon as everything has settled."



    Funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    <snip> I must add, that if I KNEW a victim(s) was anti-gun, I personally would NOT help him/her...would not want to tread on their personal anti-gun beliefs/values -- good luck to them. <snip> Still, IMO people who won't defend themselves deserve any negative results of that decision.
    It seems that any acquaintances of yours who you know are anti-gun are out of luck, yet a stranger is good to go.
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    I guess he should have clocked out first...?

    I work alone for a privately owned business. I'm very thankful I have an employer who allows me to be armed.
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    "It seems that any acquaintances of yours who you know are anti-gun are out of luck, yet a stranger is good to go. " -- OC for ME

    "You are correct, Sir!" -- as Ed McMahon often said on the old Tonight Show w/ Johnny Carson...


    In this case, ignorance (on my part) truly is bliss -- at least for the "don't know where you stand on guns" strangers. But really, why should people NOT stand up for what they believe in regardless of the consequences, and die for their "values" if necessary? Doesn't anyone have any serious convictions anymore?

    Do you?

    And why should someone expect OTHERS (friends OR strangers) to go in harm's way when they won't even do it for themselves OR their loved ones?

    Look around the place the next time you're at an IHOP, Denny's, Village Inn or whatever...guess how many people would survive an "incident." We already know the staff wouldn't (corporate policy) but how many of the customers? Few if any -- probably none (except YOU I hope, IF you're carrying)?

    As adults, we can make the CHOICE (personal responsibility) to be victims or not...those who choose the former should accept the consequences and shouldn't expect ANYONE to come to their aid. I don't expect anyone to come to mine, it's MY job to handle it.

    Consequently, I have zero interest in helping people like that survive. Some people need to learn the HARD WAY -- let them.

    Yes, it's a harsh reality out there (and America has it LOTS easier than in MOST backwards/violent countries)...so have a plan to deal with it.

    Most of us here have one: We carry. If other people (the vast majority, BTW) who COULD carry but don't/won't, that's their problem...and I lose no sleep over it whatsoever.

    So unlike others here who say they are "sheepdogs," I'm not one of them.
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    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...d-robbery.html

    A few more tidbits towards the end of the story.

    I like what the sheriff stated.

    The sheriff said he was disappointed to hear that McLean lost his job on account of stopping the robbery.


    “That’s certainly unfortunate,” he said. “They should be doing something to reward that young man instead of firing him.”

    Sheriff Diggs said AutoZone has also sent an unintended message to the community.


    “The company has now sent a message to every would-be robber out there – ‘Hey we’re open for business and unarmed. Come on in and take our money,’” he said.
    Any of you out there in the Commonwealth have this fella as your sheriff?
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    Let AutoZone know how you feel about this nonsense. Their comment section is here: https://www.autozone.com/autozone/co...eneralcomments

    This happened in Hampton, VA. You will need the city the store is located in to comment.

    I sent them a message stating my dissapointment in their company and the company's policy. I infromed them that I believe this young man should be given a commendation, his posistion back, and preference for all future promotions! It is sad ignroant issues such as these happen in this country, and I despise these acts of cowardness by companies who do not believe in self defense. They would rather their employees get shot and killed than have to worry about a lawsuit from someone who may attempt to rob a store and get shot.
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    Great interview. The employee presented himself very well.

    Note to self: Don't let the media talk me into racking the slide on my pistol. No obligation to add dramatic effect into a self-defense interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Note to self: Don't let the media talk me into racking the slide on my pistol. No obligation to add dramatic effect into a self-defense interview.
    My thought exactly. Seems to me that is just a subtle way of them trying to show us as irresponsible.

    I contacted them. Filled the entire contact form. It will be interesting to see if there will be any change in policy if enough of us submit complaints and pledge to not patronize their business. (Sadly, doubtful.)
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    Wow, Autozone made a huge mistake. They not only look stupid for firing that guy, they could have really handled this differently. The employee was defending the store, to an armed robber. What the heck was he supposed to do? Duck down and hope he wasn't killed? He did the RIGHT thing!! Autozone is unprofessional, and definitely lost my respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resto Guy View Post
    Anyone can pull their gun in self-defense. It takes character and bravery to run from danger and return armed to defend others.
    I run into burning buildings......I run towards gunfire..... I cannot stand idly by while evil attempts to rise above the Good.

    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    ...and I believe ANY citizen has a right to stop a felony-in-progesss ("citizen's arrest") so "getting involved" shouldn't be punished.
    If not me, if not you, who will stand for what is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devin Hutchison View Post
    Ain't that what them fancy boys running around with badges get paid to do
    Immediate action or wait for however long it takes for a LEO to arrive.

    If you left the building and left someone(s) behind to be injured or killed and you could have done something to prevent it imagine explaining that to the survivors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    ...and I believe ANY citizen has a right to stop a felony-in-progesss ("citizen's arrest") so "getting involved" shouldn't be punished.

    After all, how many violent crimes have been in-progress but NO ONE "gets involved" to stop it, they just watch -- and afterwards, people critize that lack of care & compassion for others. Yet when someone DOES "get involved," people criticize THAT, too. It needs to be decided collectively (by everyone) which way it's supposed to be.

    I don't blame UNarmed people for not getting involved (self-preservation is the "Primary Law of Nature") especially if the criminal is armed, bigger/younger/stronger, or there are multiple criminals -- but that's one of the reasons for carrying: One IS able to "participate" on a fairly equal footing.

    People are less likely to get involved if they don't have to tools to do so.
    +1.

    People will not get involved if they fear legal retribution. Just like in first aid cases, if I know you can sue me for breaking your ribs, I will not perform CPR.

    It is sad. It is more sad when people stand around and do nothing during a situation. But if everyone fears legal retribution, then that is exactly what will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin Hutchison View Post
    AutoZone has a zero tolerance for their employees to have firearms in the store? I'm sure quite a few criminals were happy to hear that. One more store they can freely rob!
    My repair shop is right next to an Autozone. The employees have told me a few times that they A) Can't carry a firearm or they'll get fired, and B) If anyone tries to rob them, knife, gun, etc. Give them the money & call the police after they leave.

    They actually TRIED to tell me, that if I was in their store while they were being robbed, and I drew my firearm to stop the robbery, their manager could lose his job. How messed up is that? This auto zone gets robbed about 4 times a year. The last time they were robbed was a few months ago. A guy grabbed one of their employees by her hair and put a gun to her head, demanding all of the money.

    I know some of the people who OC, or even CC say "If it's not MY life in danger, why get involved?" But if that happened and I was in the store, I would definitely stop it.

    I just don't get how companies tell their employees that they don't have the right to defend themselves at work. I have never, and will never work for anyone who tells me that.

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