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    We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    It sick how many people don't understand BASIC firearm safety.

    I propose that all school have basic firearms safety classes mandatory for students. The education would start in elementary school and continue on up through high school. The high school student should be offered shooting course similar to the way driver's ed is offered. They pay extra, they have a 7+day class on handgun/rifle use and it should count as training for their CPLs when they hit the magic age in their states.

    Maybe even have a school shooting team with rifle, handgun, and shotgun competitions.

    They should include in the class intro to basic maintenance where they learn how to properly clean and lubricate common styles of firearms.


    Your thoughts for or against, maybe subject matters to be covered, etc.

    I believe that the very basic safety class should include at least one day at a range and should be mandatory to graduate. Some exceptions might include those who are too mentally handicap to handle a weapon safely, "moral" protesters (libtarted children), etc.
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    Basic safety should be mandatory, absolutely. No live firing, or even handling of real firearms is necessary. Even if it was only a couple of hours per school year, thousands of lives could be saved. I've been a proponent of this for years.

    I've heard Virginia uses the NRA's Eddie Eagle program in schools, but I don't remember all the details.
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    Re: We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    This is a good idea.

    Except it should be mandatory for everyone like sex ed was (well was when I was in school anyways). No exceptions

    Pacifists still need to know about safety and parents can always enroll their kids in private schools or home school should they object.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouse View Post
    This is a good idea.

    Except it should be mandatory for everyone like sex ed was (well was when I was in school anyways). No exceptions

    Pacifists still need to know about safety and parents can always enroll their kids in private schools or home school should they object.

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    Okay, how about having live fire/maintenance as optional and the rest as mandatory then?
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    Re: We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Okay, how about having live fire/maintenance as optional and the rest as mandatory then?
    Sure, knowing about gun safety and actually using them are world's apart.

    Include laws, regulations and history of gun ownership in the safety class as well.

    Actually, this would make for a great adult continuing education class at local community colleges too.

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    While this does sound like a good idea you know it would prob get twisted into an anti gun program while learning gun safety.
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    Re: We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by KYKevin View Post
    While this does sound like a good idea you know it would prob get twisted into an anti gun program while learning gun safety.
    Probably. But many schools have this in JROTC. My mother (ret. Cpt) teaches JROTC in Texas and they do the entire bit for the 4 years.

    Of course it has a military slant but she doesn't do the anti bit at all.

    It wouldn't be a hassle for her to do non-JROTC classes just covering gun use or to include non-JROTC students on the rifle team.

    Handguns might be hard though. Antis fear handguns like Iran fears religious freedom.

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    While it sounds like a good idea, would it be perverted by the state? I would think so, over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    While it sounds like a good idea, would it be perverted by the state? I would think so, over time.
    Since this would only need to be done once a year or so, it should be done by an NRA-certified guest instructor, and that (or equivalent) could be written into the course requirement. That should help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I think its a great idea but the liberals would never allow it.

    I actually had this debate with a liberal about 10 years ago.

    When I aked them why they opposed the idea they said "the kids are too young, teaching them about guns will encourage risky behavior and they should be taught at home about these things"

    Sounded awfully familiar, haha
    Same thing the bible thumpers said about about sex ed.
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    We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    I think he meant to say "people who defer to religion rather than reason."

    I think the distance from "here are some safety tips about guns" to "here is why guns are evil" is too short a trip. The same reason we shouldn't teach _about_ religion in schools: we cannot trust those developing and teaching to stick to plan, or that the plan will be acceptable to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    ...I think the distance from "here are some safety tips about guns" to "here is why guns are evil" is too short a trip. ...
    The already work in the latter every chance they get anyway, with zero discussion on the former.
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    Re: We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    what is a bible thumper ?
    Over exuberant Christians...

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    We have sex ed in schools why not gun ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouse View Post
    Over exuberant Christians...

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    Not just that but those who "quote" out of context or twist said quotes into the context they want. On several occasions my own mother flat out makes stuff up and says "it's from the bible" to get her way. It's really irritating. I find it comical to ask for the cite and watch the thumper stutter.

    And to the OP, total agreement. Would have loved a gun course in school.

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    Schools can't produce graduates that are capable of reading, writing or doing math. I doubt they could do a decent job with firearms education. Public schooling = fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I think its a great idea but the liberals would never allow it.

    I actually had this debate with a liberal about 10 years ago.

    When I aked them why they opposed the idea they said "the kids are too young, teaching them about guns will encourage risky behavior and they should be taught at home about these things"

    Sounded awfully familiar, haha
    Schools already had gun-ed classes decades ago, and kids would bring their guns to school.

    But, now schools have no-gun signs on the doors, to keep all the bad guys with guns away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    But, now schools have no-gun signs on the doors, to keep all the bad guys with guns away.
    have you tried telling the bad guys this? Maybe you could pick up some funding for such a project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I think its a great idea but the liberals would never allow it.

    I actually had this debate with a liberal about 10 years ago.

    When I aked them why they opposed the idea they said "the kids are too young, teaching them about guns will encourage risky behavior and they should be taught at home about these things"

    Sounded awfully familiar, haha
    Not true.

    Admittedly the libs messed around with it, but they left enough to be a viable program. Being as how it's a state publication there is no copyright/plagerism issue for copying it.

    http://www.doe.virginia.gov/boe/guid...elementary.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Not true.

    Admittedly the libs messed around with it, but they left enough to be a viable program. Being as how it's a state publication there is no copyright/plagerism issue for copying it.

    http://www.doe.virginia.gov/boe/guid...elementary.pdf

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    Many individuals within a community carry guns. Students need to understand which community members may publicly carry guns. The Code of Virginia at 18.2-308 states that those who can carry a gun for their occupation or recreation include law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, and military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or any person engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest.


    They could have stopped at the first sentence, right?


    The characters Kevin, Jimmy, Sarah, and Roscoe are friends and live in the same neighborhood. They often play outside after school. They find a gun in the bushes and have to decide what to do
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    Whaaaaat? Is this an issue in this area .. you have bushes that sprout guns?


    Who May Use A Gun Activity - Police Officer, Park Ranger, and Military person.


    What? Are kids being contacted by the US Army?


    prepare to discuss them with the class.
    1. Your best friend has found a gun at the park and decides to hide it and not tell anyone.
    2. Your parents are out of town and you are at home with your older brother who invited a friend over. The friend shows you a gun and states it belongs to his father.
    3. Your best friend at school has been bullied for over a week by a student in another class. He has stated that he plans to bring a gun to school to scare the bully.
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    a. Who should you tell?
    b. What will be the results of your actions?


    Nobody likes a tattle-tail Jimmy .... really, more park references ....


    Good example of why the gov't should just stay out of this issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post

    stay safe.
    And stay away from parks .. they are filled with bushes that have guns !

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And stay away from parks .. they are filled with bushes that have guns !
    Which parks? I would love to harvest guns from the gun bushes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keylock View Post
    Schools can't produce graduates that are capable of reading, writing or doing math. I doubt they could do a decent job with firearms education. Public schooling = fail.
    But they sure know how to breed by the time they are done......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Schools already had gun-ed classes decades ago, and kids would bring their guns to school.

    But, now schools have no-gun signs on the doors, to keep all the bad guys with guns away.
    Man I miss the old days when I was in high school. Trucks parked in the school lot with guns hanging in the windows and no one said a word about it. Nor did any one steal them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keylock View Post
    Schools can't produce graduates that are capable of reading, writing or doing math. I doubt they could do a decent job with firearms education. Public schooling = fail.
    Rant

    I agree with this sentiment, but unfortunately it is difficult in my area to find a private school that doesn't also provide religious instruction. My brother went to a private school for several years, and when he eventually went to public school, he had no historical or civic knowledge, or any information on widely accepted scientific theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esanders2008 View Post
    Rant

    I agree with this sentiment, but unfortunately it is difficult in my area to find a private school that doesn't also provide religious instruction. My brother went to a private school for several years, and when he eventually went to public school, he had no historical or civic knowledge, or any information on widely accepted scientific theories.

    /rant
    Only if one see being taught morels and how to lead a godly life as wrong.

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