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    Pro 2A lawyers in Virginia, list

    Have never seen this link posted on OCDO. Contains some 2A legal guys from different areas around the state. Not every body can live close to our OCDO favorites in NOVA. This link also contains the other states as well.

    http://www.theshootersbar.org/page31/page31.html
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    Here's another list, maintained by the VCDL:

    http://www.hkshooter.net/lawyers/

    I have a couple of observations about such lists:

    First, the attorneys signed up for this and listed supplied the information you see. There are attorneys who do what I call, "specializing in WECITD" (which I pronounce, "wek-i-tid"). That acronym stands for "what ever comes in the door". Some of whom sign up for every possible list they can get their names on, because they need the work. These are generally the same people who sign up to get on the court-appointed attorneys list in local courts. Some of them are good, but don't quite know what they want to do in life, or are too new in the big world of "out on your own" to have an established practice; some are bad and just need all the work they can get.

    And secondly, there's way too much law out there for any attorney to do "all things well", so pay attention to the practice areas the lawyers describe in their listings. Someone listed on a "gun friendly list" who does domestic relations or trusts and estates could be the best person to call for domestic relations or trusts and estates, because issues regarding firearms are likely to surface in those areas. I, myself, don't do either domestic relations or trusts and estates (I have my own recommendations for people to call for NFA trusts, btw).

    My suggestion is to ask people likely to know what they're talking about and whose judgment you trust about what lawyer might be good for what kind of service. The best source of information on courtroom lawyers is generally sheriff's deputies who do work as bailiffs, since all they do most of the time is stand around and watch the lawyers' performances. They get so they know the law as well as the attorneys after they've been at it a while, and know when lawyers are botching things by not making the proper objections and such. Don't rely on any one source of information. When you've got a legal problem, don't worry about being embarrassed about it, swallow your pride and ask every sensible person you know whether they know a good lawyer who practices in the appropriate area. If you've been arrested at two o'clock a.m., you're in jail, and decide you want to talk to your attorney, it's too late to make an informed choice. What they'll do is hand you a phone book and say, "pick one."

    Don't rely on luck - attorneys, like every other profession, are mostly humans. And some humans are really good, some are really bad, and most are average. If my life and property are threatened, "average" isn't good enough for me. Find out who the good lawyers are in your area now, and compile your own list. Then call 'em up and see if they'll talk to you and find out how they operate. It shouldn't take too much work to whittle the list down to two or three people you could trust in an pinch.

    Also, there's no substitute for money. I strongly recommend having a little something put away for emergencies. Not necessarily cash, but easily liquidated. Five or six thousand dollars should be a minimum, in my estimation. And if you can't do that, compile another list of people who'd be willing to loan you money in an emergency, whether parents, friends, or relatives. Don't be too proud to ask for help.
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    Geeese...as usual, what can you add to User's comments?

    A few things about specialists and referrals. Dan recommended consulting Sheriff's Deputies and that's a good start, but remember that they also vary and that needs to be considered.

    Proshooter was in court services for a while and I rate his advice very highly.

    On the other hand, we had a former Deputy here for a while that took great pride in telling everyone what to do and how, whose big claim to fame was taking prescription narcotics in court, going to sleep and falling out of his chair. If he said the sky was blue, I'd have to compare it with a WB card before I accepted his word.

    There have been very personable and competent lawyers listed on pro gun lists that had major clients that would conflict with their representation of gun owners and from my observations in some cases...did.

    There are also some lawyers now listed and well thought of that after a little research, I feel are too shallow to grasp anything but the most obvious legal arguments. They may be OK to get a CHP from a fussy judge but I sure wouldn't want them defending me in a shooting.

    Choosing a lawyer is as big a decision as choosing a heart surgeon. A bad choice can be the end.

    Several years ago a friend and I were discussing a bogus charge he had been saddled with. I recommended a lawyer I was extremely impressed with but didn't know personally at the time. The case was complicated and without that particular lawyer, I strongly suspect the friend would have lost. He won a major victory though.

    3 guesses who that lawyer was.
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    Thanks for the list from VCDL---I never knew we had such a list. Good advice you give about being prepared and having time to pre-screen the list, so we have a go-to guy name for when we need one.
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    Re: Pro 2A lawyers in Virginia, list

    Dumb question...

    So if we are in trouble, say arrested for OC, we can just call one of these guys and retain their services?

    Silly I know but I've never actually dealt with a lawyer as an adult.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouse View Post
    Dumb question...

    So if we are in trouble, say arrested for OC, we can just call one of these guys and retain their services?

    Silly I know but I've never actually dealt with a lawyer as an adult.



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    It's best to establish a relationship with a lawyer before you get into trouble. That does several things including giving you a good opportunity to stay out of trouble.

    Some lawyers charge a retainer fee, some don't. I have User on retainer as do many people here. His retainers and fees are for him to discuss privately with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouse View Post
    Dumb question...

    So if we are in trouble, say arrested for OC, we can just call one of these guys and retain their services?

    Silly I know but I've never actually dealt with a lawyer as an adult.



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    I know from personal experiance that you can call Richard Gardnier and he'll speak with you for free. Also does Dan Hawes and I have Mr Garndier on retainer...and speed dial

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    Another source of "gun friendly" attorneys' names

    Daniel L. Hawes - 540 347 2430 - HTTP://www.VirginiaLegalDefense.com

    By the way, nothing I say on this website as "user" should be taken as either advertising for attorney services or legal advice, merely personal opinion. Everyone having a question regarding the application of law to the facts of their situation should seek the advice of an attorney competent in the subject matter of the issues presented and licensed to practice in the relevant state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    It doesn't appear they screen or rate their Attorneys, just list them.

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    True; I think that's the same for all of them. There is no procedure for screening or certifying attorneys other than having them sign up "Hey, I'm Gun-Friendly". Hence my recommendations earlier in the thread about how to pick one. Those lists are useful only as starting places.
    Daniel L. Hawes - 540 347 2430 - HTTP://www.VirginiaLegalDefense.com

    By the way, nothing I say on this website as "user" should be taken as either advertising for attorney services or legal advice, merely personal opinion. Everyone having a question regarding the application of law to the facts of their situation should seek the advice of an attorney competent in the subject matter of the issues presented and licensed to practice in the relevant state.

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