there are thousands of shoppers who either are not 2A supporters or will simply roll-over and become non-law-abiding citizens in that they know that the Mall does not want weapons on their property, and will violate the property rights of the Owners and CC anyway. That to me is hypocrisy!
~~ snipped ~~ Carrying in the mall against their wishes is in NO WAY "non-law-abiding," I am breaking no law by doing so. It is at best disrespectful, same as I find their request to go into a dangerous place unarmed. It's not hypocritical, it's a practical solution to a real-world problem. ~~ snipped ~~
Please read what I said again. I have emphasized some of it for clarity.
Then maybe you should consider that in nearly all of our laws, intent is what separates a criminal act from an accidental one. If you are already aware (Know) that a restriction of firearms exists on a certain property, then by entering that property, you are knowingly violating the Owners wishes, and even without them having to tell you that it is not allowed, are making yourself an intentional trespasser.
Based upon your statement, you do not believe that you are doing anything wrong or committing any crime if you violate a property owners rules while on his Property!
I will turn this around on you and ask that you show me where there is no possible way that any property owner can have you arrested for bringing a firearm onto restricted property.
Even if you can, it does not change that you would become a hypocrite should you attempt to feign ignorance when approached for carrying a firearm onto property where you know it is prohibited..
Yes, the onus of proof that you knew in advance, will still fall on the Owner, however at that point you have already shown to yourself and possibly to others what your lack of integrity is, that you lack the respect for others rights that you expect they would grant to you.
Since you asked that I povide something, I would direct you to many of Washington States Administrative Codes that would not give you the option, but would have you arrested for carrying concealed if caught on specific properties. That in itself implies that you are breaking laws. Admin Codes in and of themselves mean little, but most of the codes I refer to have RCW's behind them giving them their bite, as the State of Washington occupies and preempts all firearm regulations, then their own Administrative Codes restricting firearms do carry weight. Here is just one as an example.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=10-20&full=true#10-20-010
Think about something else: If you have your property marked "No Firearms Allowed", then happen to observe someone you do not know carrying a concealed firearm onto your property, would you simply say, Oh well.. he is just trying to provide himself with a practical solution in a real world situation, or would you consider taking action that may cost him his life?
To do so would not be an unlawful act. If "caught" you would be asked to leave, and trespassed if you refused. Same as if you were open carrying. What Paul Blart & crew don't know can't hurt YOU. Experience around here is generally that open carry is not tolerated at malls, and you will be asked to leave. Yes, there will inevitably be exceptions to this. Myself, I avoid malls as much as possible, but there's no way in hell I'd go into one unarmed.
