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    CPL class

    My wife and I paid for our daughters cpl class at Top Gun in Taylor, she and my aunt took the class, when she asked(daughter) a few questions about Oc'ng, the main instructor(big guy with a go tee-(tim or tom)) told her if she planed on OC she could get the F**K outa his class, I doubted her but my aunt backed her up. I made a compliant with mike the owner, and now 3 weeks later still no resolution on their end, let me state I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING FREE, just a reprimand and a apology, now I am looking for my son a class(gift cert. for x-mas).

    Does anybody know someone/where in the Dearborn Heights area that does them.

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    Did you at least get a refund? I would think that you should at the very least get a refund.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    My wife and I paid for our daughters cpl class at Top Gun in Taylor, she and my aunt took the class, when she asked(daughter) a few questions about Oc'ng, the main instructor(big guy with a go tee-(tim or tom)) told her if she planed on OC she could get the F**K outa his class, I doubted her but my aunt backed her up. I made a compliant with mike the owner, and now 3 weeks later still no resolution on their end, let me state I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING FREE, just a reprimand and a apology, now I am looking for my son a class(gift cert. for x-mas).

    Does anybody know someone/where in the Dearborn Heights area that does them.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    My wife and I paid for our daughters cpl class at Top Gun in Taylor, she and my aunt took the class, when she asked(daughter) a few questions about Oc'ng, the main instructor(big guy with a go tee-(tim or tom)) told her if she planed on OC she could get the F**K outa his class, I doubted her but my aunt backed her up. I made a compliant with mike the owner, and now 3 weeks later still no resolution on their end, let me state I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING FREE, just a reprimand and a apology, now I am looking for my son a class(gift cert. for x-mas).

    Does anybody know someone/where in the Dearborn Heights area that does them.
    a suggestion...might wish to contact, in writing, those within the MI State Police (possibly the commission on Law Enforcement standards or licensure area group) and make a formal complaint about the instructor's conduct and unprofessional behaviour...

    I am sure that will get someone's attention...

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    That's why I stopped going to top gun. Everyone there seems to have a holier than thou attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzi01 View Post
    That's why I stopped going to top gun. Everyone there seems to have a holier than thou attitude.
    Welcome wizzi01!
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Welcome wizzi01!
    Thanks...I've been lurking here for a while and thought i was registered...I guess I wasn't lol

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    I think I found a good class anybody have dealings with frank from American firearms training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    My wife and I paid for our daughters cpl class at Top Gun in Taylor, she and my aunt took the class, when she asked(daughter) a few questions about Oc'ng, the main instructor(big guy with a go tee-(tim or tom)) told her if she planed on OC she could get the F**K outa his class, I doubted her but my aunt backed her up. I made a compliant with mike the owner, and now 3 weeks later still no resolution on their end, let me state I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING FREE, just a reprimand and a apology, now I am looking for my son a class(gift cert. for x-mas).

    Does anybody know someone/where in the Dearborn Heights area that does them.
    I can do it for you, It will be January 12th (will call to book shortly) at the Firearm Exchange in Livonia.

    $100
    All course material
    Lunch
    Range time
    And I do an OC segment (No carry, or ammunition in the classroom though due to NRA safety rules.)
    Last edited by Small_Arms_Collector; 12-13-2012 at 05:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    My wife and I paid for our daughters cpl class at Top Gun in Taylor, she and my aunt took the class, when she asked(daughter) a few questions about Oc'ng, the main instructor(big guy with a go tee-(tim or tom)) told her if she planed on OC she could get the F**K outa his class, I doubted her but my aunt backed her up. I made a compliant with mike the owner, and now 3 weeks later still no resolution on their end, let me state I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING FREE, just a reprimand and a apology, now I am looking for my son a class(gift cert. for x-mas).

    Does anybody know someone/where in the Dearborn Heights area that does them.
    Did your daughter leave then?
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    Did your daughter leave then?
    No she stayed, and got her cert., kinda glad she did tho, I think the fight to get the money back woulda been a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Small_Arms_Collector View Post
    I can do it for you, It will PROBABLY be January 12th (will call to book shortly) at the Firearm Exchange in Livonia.

    $100
    All course material
    Lunch
    Range time
    And I do an OC segment (No carry, or ammunition in the classroom though due to NRA safety rules.)
    Thank you, but i think I got it taken care of.
    I called F/E they charge $125.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    No she stayed, and got her cert., kinda glad she did tho, I think the fight to get the money back woulda been a nightmare.
    Please consider contacting the NRA. Not so much regarding the issue of OC but more importantly, the manner in which the person expressed his opinion. I'm sure if he acted this way to your daughter that other complaints have made. If so, perhaps yours will be the tipping point that the NRA decides that his behavior is no longer going to be tolerated. Most organizations function on "good will" and this person is doing them no favors. If no complaint has been made, perhaps yours will cause the NRA to at least start documenting this person's ability to be a representative to future gun owners. Good luck!
    Last edited by DrTodd; 12-12-2012 at 11:16 PM.
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    I know some people that have NRA teaching certifications, and they tell me they are not easy to get. Whether or not the NRA cares about them after they are given out I don't know. Since they are not given out like candy, I would hope so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    I know some people that have NRA teaching certifications, and they tell me they are not easy to get. Whether or not the NRA cares about them after they are given out I don't know. Since they are not given out like candy, I would hope so.
    Not only difficult but also rather expensive.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    Please consider contacting the NRA. Not so much regarding the issue of OC but more importantly, the manner in which the person expressed his opinion. I'm sure if he acted this way to your daughter that other complaints have made. If so, perhaps yours will be the tipping point that the NRA decides that his behavior is no longer going to be tolerated. Most organizations function on "good will" and this person is doing them no favors. If no complaint has been made, perhaps yours will cause the NRA to at least start documenting this person's ability to be a representative to future gun owners. Good luck!
    a review of their website http://www.topgunshootingsports.com/training.htm and the courses offered does not show any hint of NRA affiliation at all?? therefore, contact NRA training would be a mute point per se...

    i do however see where they are extremely proud of the fact they are: (never heard of the ASR or NSSF rating myself but...)

    quote We are rated a Five Star Range by the Association of Shooting Ranges, one of only 25 in the United States. To meet NSSF's criteria of a Five Star facility, a range must demonstrate excellence in all aspects of management and operations. Ranges are rated on appearance, management, customer service, amenities, customer development and community relations. Click here for more information. unquote.

    i would discern where these associations of shooting ranges group's website are, and make a formal complaint about the management's lack of response to your complaint to them as well as their lack of customer service w/such mis-information...

    wabbit

    ps: then contact the range's owner and point out they have violated the criteria of the ASR's and you hope their range withstands the scrutiny from your complaint letter you sent the main reviewing body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    I know some people that have NRA teaching certifications, and they tell me they are not easy to get. Whether or not the NRA cares about them after they are given out I don't know. Since they are not given out like candy, I would hope so.
    having read other venues, my understanding is the NRA's training cadre is small, 4 ppl yet is quite responsive to reports of instructors not teaching to their standards. however, i imagine it is difficult to police with he said, she said accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    Thank you, but i think I got it taken care of.
    I called F/E they charge $125.
    They do for their classes, but they also rent class space to other instructors. I do it for $100, I am not affiliated with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Small_Arms_Collector View Post
    They do for their classes, but they also rent class space to other instructors. I do it for $100, I am not affiliated with them.

    I just meant that I talked to them, not going with them, we want to get our son a gift cert. for the training to put under the tree.

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    Doc and abbit, GOOD IDEA'S, sad to say getting caught up in trying to find my son a class, i never thought of that, Emails will be composed and sent this weekend.

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    btw...your a good caregiver to your family...want a friend who would appreciate CPL for a gift??

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    A person who has for untold centuries maintained the imposing position of spiritual head of four-fifths of the human race...
    All religions issue bibles against him, and say the most injurious things about him, but we never hear his side. (twain)

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