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Shooting reported at Connecticut elementary school 12/14/12

motoxmann

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now they've totally changed their story, saying the father is alive and well, and the female body found in a relative's home was actually the mother in her own home, and that the mother was not a teacher at the school but possibly a volunteer at that school. so now it seems to be back to square one where noone can get their story straight, and who knows why he even went to the school in the first place
 

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My apologies my drunken idiot of a friend decided to answer my notification on my phone. Ill be locking it from now on. Sorry. But the guy that said his wife is a first responder. . .your information does seem very unconfirmed.
 
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Yeah no kidding huh... soo many law enforcement agencies and soo many people involved even she apparently didn't get ALL the facts explained right. Most of it seems to still be holding true, they did contact the brother and search his home and phone records and computer The brother Ryan lives in NJ. the mother was apparently killed at her home and she is a teacher at the school. Adam took her car and drove to the school. He must of killed another teacher in the room where he started shooting because he went straight to one of the classrooms first. The new is reporting that the father is alive with his new wife and that they live in Stamford.
 

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I got five dollars that says just like many other shooters he was on some sort of psychiatric medication or treatment that did not prevent this.

Its an easy estimation given the number of mass killers who received or were actually on medication or treatment at the time of their crime.

Its doubly easy given that he killed his mother. His mother! for crying out loud.

Separately and also, an investigation ought to be done into his mother to see if she was a destructive personality who pushed an unstable person too far. Children don't just up and kill their parents for no reason.
 
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His mother! for crying out loud.

Separately and also, an investigation ought to be done into his mother to see if she was a destructive personality who pushed an unstable person too far. Children don't just up and kill their parents for no reason.
Good idea. The more info available about he mom, the better. However, we might not like it too much if she has "a destructive personality."

It was reported that Nancy Lanza was "an avid gun collector." And that "she would often go target shooting with her kids."

She was a gun person. Probably won't help us pro-gunners if she was wacko, too.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-townsbre8bd0u1-20121214,0,7112522,full.story
 

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Good idea. The more info available about he mom, the better. However, we might not like it too much if she has "a destructive personality."

It was reported that Nancy Lanza was "an avid gun collector." And that "she would often go target shooting with her kids."

She was a gun person. Probably won't help us pro-gunners if she was wacko, too.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-townsbre8bd0u1-20121214,0,7112522,full.story

I think you give too much weight to her being a gunner. Saddam Hussein was a gun person. Does that make it harder to promote self-defense because he was wacko? John Dillinger was apparently a gun person. So was Bonnie and Clyde. Does that make it harder? Enough harder to worry about?
 

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I got five dollars that says just like many other shooters he was on some sort of psychiatric medication or treatment that did not prevent this.

Its an easy estimation given the number of mass killers who received or were actually on medication or treatment at the time of their crime.

I'd guess this as well.

Separately and also, an investigation ought to be done into his mother to see if she was a destructive personality who pushed an unstable person too far. Children don't just up and kill their parents for no reason.

Good idea. The more info available about he mom, the better. However, we might not like it too much if she has "a destructive personality."

It was reported that Nancy Lanza was "an avid gun collector." And that "she would often go target shooting with her kids."

She was a gun person. Probably won't help us pro-gunners if she was wacko, too.

everything I've read today suggested otherwise. sources being friends of the family and other family members. I've seen nothing saying she was "an avid gun collector" or anything of the like. everything mentioned today displayed the mother as being what I'd consider a "suitable parent". she just apparently didn't store her firearms safely/securely enough. but who knows how he actually got his hands on them. for all we know, she pulled a gun on him in self defense, and he somehow was able to take it from her and force her to open a safe, then shot her in the face.

really, we know nothing. not a single story that's been told yet anywhere has actually stuck, with the exception of the numbers.

also to note, yesterdays reports all mentioned things about the kid having mental issues. all of today's reports did the opposite, saying the kid was actually incredibly smart, and though a bit of a loner and thinner than most kids his age, was a typically kind natured person with a normal personality; nothing to lead anyone to assume he was mentally unstable in any way shape or form.
 

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I think you give too much weight to her being a gunner. Saddam Hussein was a gun person. Does that make it harder to promote self-defense because he was wacko? John Dillinger was apparently a gun person. So was Bonnie and Clyde. Does that make it harder? Enough harder to worry about?

So was Elliot Ness, right?

Interesting tidbit I saw on the TV news ... a reporter was in a house next near the firehouse (what he said on TV) and he noted that a cop was carrying a LONG GUN...not calling it what it actually was, a M16/AR15 that one could see clearly. Why didn't the reporter call it an "assault rifle" or "high powered rifle" or other name that they called the shooter mother's gun that was just sitting in the trunk of the car (or at least that's how I heard several reports)? They called her gun an "assault weapon", "assault rifle", etc.

I think that the press has been muzzled by the police .... and they willingly accepted it.
 

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Aren't "Assault weapons" illegal in CT?

Unless she owned it before 1994 isn't it illegal in CT?

http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A bayonet mount;

(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) A grenade launcher; or

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

(iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

(b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.


Sec. 53-202b. Sale or transfer of assault weapon prohibited. Class C felony. (a)(1) Any person who, within this state, distributes, transports or imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives any assault weapon, except as provided by sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a, shall be guilty of a class C felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which two years may not be suspended or reduced.

(2) Any person who transfers, sells or gives any assault weapon to a person under eighteen years of age in violation of subdivision (1) of this subsection shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of six years, which shall not be suspended or reduced and shall be in addition and consecutive to the term of imprisonment imposed under subdivision (1) of this subsection.

(b) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to:

(1) The sale of assault weapons to the Department of Public Safety, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties;

(2) A person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under section 53-202d which is disposed of as authorized by the Probate Court, if the disposition is otherwise permitted by sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a;

(3) The transfer by bequest or intestate succession of an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under section 53-202d.


Sec. 53-202c. Possession of assault weapon prohibited. Class D felony. (a) Except as provided in section 53-202e, any person who, within this state, possesses any assault weapon, except as provided in sections 29-37j, 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and 53-202o and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a, shall be guilty of a class D felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which one year may not be suspended or reduced; except that a first-time violation of this subsection shall be a class A misdemeanor if (1) the person presents proof that he lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993, and (2) the person has otherwise possessed the firearm in compliance with subsection (d) of section 53-202d.

(b) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of assault weapons by members or employees of the Department of Public Safety, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties; nor shall anything in sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a prohibit the possession or use of assault weapons by sworn members of these agencies when on duty and the use is within the scope of their duties.

(c) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon by any person prior to July 1, 1994, if all of the following are applicable:

(1) The person is eligible under sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a to apply for a certificate of possession for the assault weapon by July 1, 1994;

(2) The person lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993; and

(3) The person is otherwise in compliance with sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a.

(d) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to a person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under section 53-202d, if the assault weapon is possessed at a place set forth in subdivision (1) of subsection (d) of section 53-202d or as authorized by the Probate Court.


Sec. 53-202d. Certificate of possession of assault weapon. Certificate of transfer of assault weapon to gun dealer. Circumstances where possession of assault weapon authorized. (a) Any person who lawfully possesses an assault weapon, as defined in section 53-202a, prior to October 1, 1993, shall apply by October 1, 1994, or, if such person is a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States and is unable to apply by October 1, 1994, because he or she is or was on official duty outside of this state, shall apply within ninety days of returning to the state to the Department of Public Safety, for a certificate of possession with respect to such assault weapon. The certificate shall contain a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely, including all identification marks, the full name, address, date of birth and thumbprint of the owner, and any other information as the department may deem appropriate. The department shall adopt regulations in accordance with the provisions of chapter 54 not later than January 1, 1994, to establish procedures with respect to the application for and issuance of certificates of possession pursuant to this section. Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 1-210 and 1-211, the name and address of a person issued a certificate of possession shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed, except such records may be disclosed to (1) law enforcement agencies, and (2) the Commissioner of Mental Health and Addiction Services to carry out the provisions of subsection (c) of section 17a-500.

(b) No assault weapon possessed pursuant to this section may be sold or transferred on or after January 1, 1994, to any person within this state other than to a licensed gun dealer, as defined in subsection (d) of section 53-202f, or as provided in section 53-202e, or by bequest or intestate succession. Any person who obtains title to an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under this section by bequest or intestate succession shall, within ninety days of obtaining title, apply to the Department of Public Safety for a certificate of possession as provided in subsection (a) of this section, render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer or remove the weapon from the state. Any person who moves into the state in lawful possession of an assault weapon, shall, within ninety days, either render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer or remove the weapon from this state, except any person who is a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States, is in lawful possession of an assault weapon and has been transferred into the state after October 1, 1994, may, within ninety days of arriving in the state, apply to the Department of Public Safety for a certificate of possession with respect to such assault weapon.

(c) If an owner of an assault weapon sells or transfers the weapon to a licensed gun dealer, he shall, at the time of delivery of the weapon, execute a certificate of transfer and cause the certificate to be mailed or delivered to the Commissioner of Public Safety. The certificate shall contain: (1) The date of sale or transfer; (2) the name and address of the seller or transferor and the licensed gun dealer, their Social Security numbers or motor vehicle operator license numbers, if applicable; (3) the licensed gun dealer's federal firearms license number and seller's permit number; (4) a description of the weapon, including the caliber of the weapon and its make, model and serial number; and (5) any other information the commissioner prescribes. The licensed gun dealer shall present his motor vehicle operator's license or Social Security card, federal firearms license and seller's permit to the seller or transferor for inspection at the time of purchase or transfer. The Commissioner of Public Safety shall maintain a file of all certificates of transfer at his central office.

(d) A person who has been issued a certificate of possession of an assault weapon under this section may possess it only under the following conditions:

(1) At that person's residence, place of business or other property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with the owner's express permission;

(2) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets;

(3) While on a target range which holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range;

(4) While on the premises of a licensed shooting club;

(5) While attending any exhibition, display or educational project which is about firearms and which is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms; or

(6) While transporting the assault weapon between any of the places mentioned in this subsection, or to any licensed gun dealer, as defined in subsection (d) of section 53-202f, for servicing or repair pursuant to subsection (c) of section 53-202f, provided the assault weapon is transported as required by section 53-202f.
 

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Although we have an AWB here in CT most manufacturer's have made CT Compliant AR style firearms, we can pretty much get any modern AR style model as long as they are not banned specifically by name and are neutered for CT, for clarification that means no bayonet lug, no adjustable or folding stock, no threaded barrel or flash hider, basically cosmetics.....here in AWB land we pin or solder on our muzzle brakes, we pin our stocks or have A2 style, shave off our bayonet lugs, etc....
 

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Although we have an AWB here in CT most manufacturer's have made CT Compliant AR style firearms, we can pretty much get any modern AR style model as long as they are not banned specifically by name and are neutered for CT, for clarification that means no bayonet lug, no adjustable or folding stock, no threaded barrel or flash hider, basically cosmetics.....here in AWB land we pin or solder on our muzzle brakes, we pin our stocks or have A2 style, shave off our bayonet lugs, etc....

The press keeps saying it was "Bushmaster", which is on the list that I quoted above.
 

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Although we have an AWB here in CT most manufacturer's have made CT Compliant AR style firearms, we can pretty much get any modern AR style model as long as they are not banned specifically by name and are neutered for CT, for clarification that means no bayonet lug, no adjustable or folding stock, no threaded barrel or flash hider, basically cosmetics.....here in AWB land we pin or solder on our muzzle brakes, we pin our stocks or have A2 style, shave off our bayonet lugs, etc....

That's correct ... I recall a court case that voided out the vague terms in the AWB in CT ... and the Benjamin case (maybe same one) that upheld the AWB had a lot of its case law cited in the opinion being the same case law that SCOTUS struck down in Heller. The AWB in CT law is ripe for being struck down IMO.
 

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The press keeps saying it was "Bushmaster", which is on the list that I quoted above.

Only the "Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol" are banned, just as other manufacturer's have done simply renaming the firearm and getting it under the feature list makes it legal here. See the list of firearms available at Bushmaster: http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/acr.asp I for example own a CT Compliant Colt M4 because here in CT as long as a Colt is not stamped AR-15 or Sporter I am good to go....
 

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Headline today: "Obama demands gun plan"

Three years and 11 months and he does nothing about a fundamental liberal issue. (Thanks to NRA, GOA, etc.).

Then the Newtown massacre falls in his lap.

Guy has luck . . .
 
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