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    Wth

    WTH, is going on? All the reported shootings lately. Is it the same amount of shootings as normal, just more being reported? Maybe people are being committing mass shootings for gun control. Are they being controlled? I guess it could be the economy pushing people over the edge, but I doubt it at this rediculous rate. I find it strange that so many would commit a mass shooting then suicide without a note, or somekind of odd behavior leading up to it. Any thoughts on this?
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    Another this morning. People attempting to "ban" certain weapons in oregon already. Like the last election, this will be decided by fear, feelings, and the heat of the moment. Be careful, be strong, be supportive.
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    Economy, recent election, but most of it, I would guess they are just nucking futz

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    At least 26 dead in shooting at Connecticut elementary school

    DEVELOPING: Authorities say at least 26 people, including 18 children, were killed Friday when a gunman opened fire inside a Connecticut elementary school.

    A law enforcement official said the shooter, who is dead, is believed to be a father of one of the students at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. Authorities recovered a Glock and Sig Sauer 9mm handgun, but it was unclear who killed the shooter, who wore black combat garb and a military vest.
    An official with knowledge of the situation said the man, described as in his 20's, had two guns. The motive is not yet known.

    Our society needs to come to grips with the only way to minimize or stop threats and killings as this is to take steps to defending yourself becomes prevalent.
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    this is terrible, looks like there's a second shooter also, not just the one (dead) one.

    I don't think there's any more (per capita anyway), but I'm sure the media will make this an epidemic if they can.

    You can't stop someone who's willing to do psychotic behavior (unless you shoot back!!)

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    Now they're saying 27 killed. 18 were children.
    Shooter is dead. He was 24 years old with 4 guns.
    There is a second person in custody. Connection to shooting is unknown.
    Shooter is thought to have a relationship with someone at school.

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    Newtown, CT School Shooting

    Obama response to the shooting beyond the normal condolences, he stated that we cannot go on any longer in not taking reasonable steps to stop this acts and essentially he will be acting as a president and not doing politics when in plain speak, here comes another attempt at a AWB and possibly more gun restrictions, no surprise here and not that he can get it done.

    In the news conference the shooter killed his Father and then drove to his Mother's and killed her and then went to his Mother's Kindergarten School Class and killed them! What a sick sob...
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    I think mass media does it....

    I think half these freaks want to be known in the news after they commit suicide or get smoked by the cops,
    and what better way to do that then to rack up a body count at an elementary skrool? Of course it will be played by the media for the next two weeks, watching fox news this morning they haven't talked about anything else...

    how much you wanna bet that NBC nightly with Brian Williams will discuss even one other news story other then this shooting?


    Also we now live in a society where human life is has been cheapened, to the point wher.... nah never mind that's a different discussion for a different day

    But I believe they do mass shootings in this way because they count on being known in infamy after their demise

    just my $00.02 in todays dollars.
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    Would you prefer a gunman decide when he or she will stop killing or an armed adult?
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    Wth

    Quote Originally Posted by badkarma View Post
    Would you prefer a gunman decide when he or she will stop killing or an armed adult?
    Exactly!
    Guns don't kill people, bullets do!

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    In the SCOTUS Heller (1st one) and/or McDonald case the court recognized that deaths would likely occur if found to be an individual right. They basically said that this possibility does not invalidate the right.

    So, we could have this occur every day and it would no relevance to our 2nd amendment rights.

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    People are still reeling and in shock, never a good time to decide anything.

    The guy stole the guns from his mother, so far from the reports. No gun laws would have stopped that.

    The people asking for gun laws need to consider what the anti-gun lobby have done to schools, churches and other places: made them target rich environments where rogue gunmen can go and feel reasonably safe that no one there has a gun and can oppose them. I grew up hearing stories from my grandfather who grew up in the old, old west about how the school-teacher kept a shotgun in the classroom for bears, cougars, and the town drunks. Just imagine if some of the school administrators and/or teachers had been armed and trained, this could have been stopped. We now require airline pilots to be trained and armed, why not teachers?

    No amount of gun ban laws will ever fix this. People bent on mass murder will find a way with explosives, gas, even knives (see the crazy event in China).

    America has a schizophrenic attitude toward guns. We glamorize them in movies, music and video games, but in real life we teach people to be deathly afraid of them. This horrifying dichotomy causes insane attitudes toward firearms. Look at places like Switzerland which has one of the highest guns-per-capita in the world. Granted, the male population is their army and is required to all keep guns in their homes, but they have a different cultural attitude toward firearms.

    We need to teach children from an early age that a gun isn't to be feared or glamorized. It is a tool, like a buzz-saw or an axe or a hammer. The more people who are taught to safely use and understand firearms, the safer society will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    ~~ snipped ~~ people asking for gun laws need to consider what the anti-gun lobby have done to schools, churches and other places: made them target rich environments ~~ snipped ~~ We now require airline pilots to be trained and armed, why not teachers?
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    100+ on both counts!
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    Bubububububububut guns are baaaaad! If we just banned guns, or even just the ebil black scarey-looking ones things like this wouldn't happen!

    It's not like some madman could just mow people down with a car or make a bomb out of a propane tank...... right??





    So, in all seriousness, who's got the best price around here on a crate of stripped lowers? North end would be nice, but I'm willing to drive....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    The people asking for gun laws need to consider what the anti-gun lobby have done to schools, churches and other places: made them target rich environments where rogue gunmen can go and feel reasonably safe that no one there has a gun and can oppose them. I grew up hearing stories from my grandfather who grew up in the old, old west about how the school-teacher kept a shotgun in the classroom for bears, cougars, and the town drunks. Just imagine if some of the school administrators and/or teachers had been armed and trained, this could have been stopped. We now require airline pilots to be trained and armed, why not teachers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Bubububububububut guns are baaaaad! If we just banned guns, or even just the ebil black scarey-looking ones things like this wouldn't happen!

    It's not like some madman could just mow people down with a car or make a bomb out of a propane tank...... right??





    So, in all seriousness, who's got the best price around here on a crate of stripped lowers? North end would be nice, but I'm willing to drive....
    You might try Surplus Ammo
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    Thing I find odd is the colorado movie theatre shooting, the oregon mall, now this seem to have something in common. Young 20 something mentally unstabel guys, with bullet proof vests. Kinda seems orchestrated.

    Any one who thinks getting rid of guns will solve anything MAY be a libtard, but they are definitly an idiot.
    China banned guns and look what happened.
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...na-school.html

    I do agree that the media needs to stop glamorizing the shootings and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, broadcasting these shooting to help prevent the copycats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Thing I find odd is the colorado movie theatre shooting, the oregon mall, now this seem to have something in common. Young 20 something mentally unstabel guys, with bullet proof vests. Kinda seems orchestrated.

    Any one who thinks getting rid of guns will solve anything MAY be a libtard, but they are definitly an idiot.
    China banned guns and look what happened.
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...na-school.html

    I do agree that the media needs to stop glamorizing the shootings and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, broadcasting these shooting to help prevent the copycats.
    I agree with you on most counts here. Especially about the MSM when they clearly state "the shooter was carrying a semi-automatic Assault Rifle" something that is intended to make most folks who do not know better think that any Semi-Automatic Rifle is the same as an Assault Rifle.

    Just like how our Politicians constantly are guilty of History Revisionism when they Claim this is an offense against our Democracy!
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    With all the disinformation being provided by the police (he used a 223 rifle, he had one in his car, etc) I simply will not believe anything the police will finalize as their "story" because that's what it will be, a story if they start yapping on about a rifle (in respect to firearms used).

    And the fact that they did not allow the press to have access is another BIG issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Thing I find odd is the colorado movie theatre shooting, the oregon mall, now this seem to have something in common. Young 20 something mentally unstabel guys, with bullet proof vests. Kinda seems orchestrated.

    Any one who thinks getting rid of guns will solve anything MAY be a libtard, but they are definitly an idiot.
    China banned guns and look what happened.
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...na-school.html

    I do agree that the media needs to stop glamorizing the shootings and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, and repeatedly, broadcasting these shooting to help prevent the copycats.
    Was this shooter wearing a body armor vest?

    I thought the CO and OR mall shooters were found to be wearing load-bearing vests with no body plates. It didn't get run in the media much, but when I was at the puyallup fair I got to talk to a state trooper who knew one of the colorado officers, and he said that he had a vest, but no armor plates inserted

    The body armor, at least in the CO and OR shootings appears to be a media spread myth...
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    I was in my local indian smoke shop at the time this news came out. I stated, this type of thing is exactly why I carry..and the propriator answers??? "exactly"

    Think about this: If every adult in that school carried, how many would have died? the bad guy? maybe one or two others. Sheep to the slaughter in the artificial "victim rich zone"

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    Question Ideas for strategic response.

    I hear all of the good arguments on here, but we are, of course, preaching to the choir. I would welcome any good suggestions on how we respond to this in the community, especially now that the left looks to be gearing up for a hard push, using this tragedy (of THEIR making) as an excuse. Give me some, if you will pardon the term, ammo for conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomboy007 View Post
    I hear all of the good arguments on here, but we are, of course, preaching to the choir. I would welcome any good suggestions on how we respond to this in the community, especially now that the left looks to be gearing up for a hard push, using this tragedy (of THEIR making) as an excuse. Give me some, if you will pardon the term, ammo for conversation.
    A couple of pointers I would use, although I'm not a political strategist.

    Remember the reasons why gun free school zone laws were imposed, not why they don't work. GFSZA was not meant to stop school shooters, it was to provide a means to federally prosecute gang members and the like who came packing to school. So point out that the law not only allows things like this to happen easier, but that it's failed in its intended role to boot

    The majority of the non-gun owning public thinks gun laws are stricter then they actually are ( this is one thing the brady campaign does right, provides me ideas) use this to your advantage. I want guns allowed "for those licensed to own firearms" (keep in mind the word license means many things, including simple permission, a law allowing you to buy and own firearms with no paperwork is, strictly speaking, a license to own and sell firearms) this will put in their minds the idea that these people are somehow trained or have official type of paperwork without actually lying. this will make things easier politically if people believe the law requires more then it does

    Firearms are only the most easy means to kill people, but not the only. a recent skrool massacre in China 22 people died from stab wounds. Bombs can be made easily from house hold products, official US military publications on how to make bombs are freely available for less then two dollars at surplus stores, so while guns are easy, there is plenty of firepower in regular household products sold with no restrictions. 30 dollars in cash I can get 8 gallons of gasoline and a book of matches... that's alot of potential deadly right there....

    Finally I conclude with saying, the gun makes it easier for school shooters yes, but it also makes it easier for the 130 pound woman walking home at night to protect herself from the 200 pound rapist, it may be easier to off gang rivals with a gun, but it also makes it easier for a skinny middle age Korean just trying to keep his store open to protect himself against those who would kill him for 20 bucks in the register and a pack of smokes. Or for the outnumbered police officer to make it home to his family at the end of his shift. Guns are a morally neutral tool. they can sybomlize justice and equality just as they can symbolize fear and intimidation. It's important people understand that fact.


    A coda I usually use on liberals... this only works on leftists though.... "Is it ok for Brinks to arm their armored car drivers" and they always say "yes" and then I look at them and say "so it's ok for the big corporations to allow people to carry guns to protect their money but not ok for a single mom to carry one to protect her kids" they always look dumbfounded at that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
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    It's worldwide and not all school attacks involve guns. This happened in China at almost the same time as the CT. shooting:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...es-23-injured/

    It appears that mankind has developed to it's max and the pendulum is returning to the other side.

    Sure glad I don't have young kids in school anymore. If I did, I'd probably be sitting in the car everyday, watching the door for people just like this.

    We've come a long way since I was in Grade School but I'm not sure it's all good. I wouldn't have put it past my Grade School principal, in the small town I grew up in, to have kept a .45 in his desk.
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    Wth

    manchurian candidates. what better way for our government to get us to give our rights away by delving to the bottom of the pot and have children massacred, putting massive fear into the hearts of the people. like someone said before in this thread, there are too many similar "orchestrated" events of this nature. they may have finally hit a nerve with this latest one. it is truly sad, all of them are.
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