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    Manchurian Candidates?

    Whenever I hear or read someone say something like this I think “nut job”.
    So, at the risk on sounding like a conspiracy nut job:

    This country went a long time without many mass shootings. Even after the “assault weapns" ban expired.

    Obama learned from the Clinton administration to lay low on gun control during his first term. Gun control was a significant factor as to why Clinton lost both sides of Congress (even Clinton said so during one of his State of the Union Addresses).

    We all know that Obama and the left will push HARD to restrict our rights over the next 4 years. Things like getting ALL semi-autos classified as NFA weapons, and/or an assault weapons ban that requires we all surrender them with no grandfather nor sunset clause this time.

    So does it make me a nut to wonder if all these mass shootings that have happened in the past 6 months are just coincidences?

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    I'm happy to read there is someone who has more time on their hands than me.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites View Post
    Whenever I hear or read someone say something like this I think “nut job”.
    So, at the risk on sounding like a conspiracy nut job:

    This country went a long time without many mass shootings. Even after the “assault weapns" ban expired.

    Obama learned from the Clinton administration to lay low on gun control during his first term. Gun control was a significant factor as to why Clinton lost both sides of Congress (even Clinton said so during one of his State of the Union Addresses).

    We all know that Obama and the left will push HARD to restrict our rights over the next 4 years. Things like getting ALL semi-autos classified as NFA weapons, and/or an assault weapons ban that requires we all surrender them with no grandfather nor sunset clause this time.

    So does it make me a nut to wonder if all these mass shootings that have happened in the past 6 months are just coincidences?

    No. The public revelations of the Clutzes for Information Aquisition only leads in that direction. Wondering is not a problem. Asserting it would be questionable, but not wondering.

    The funny part is that you almost don't have to prove a conspiracy. Really all you have to do is highlight the facts. Its a little like the folks who howl about a banker conspiracy to control the world. Who knows besides the bankers themselves? But, you can get more traction just by illustrating the same negative activities of bankers without driving off listeners by asserting conspiracy theories.

    I once asked an older associate whether he had any info that National Review and Bill Buckley were fronts for Clutzes for Information Aquisition. Knowing his backround, I thought he might know something. He pointed out that it didn't matter; they got the results they got whether they were or weren't. The speed with which he answered, and the way he dodged the question told me he was at least familiar with the suspicion.

    It really doesn't matter much if there is a coordinated plan against guns. Unless one has a smoking gun that proves the conspiracy, its not really productive to accuse the existence of a plan. Meanwhile, you can get much more results by just attacking the individuals who promote gun control and their results (innocent dead, etc.)
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites View Post
    Whenever I hear or read someone say something like this I think “nut job”.
    So, at the risk on sounding like a conspiracy nut job:

    This country went a long time without many mass shootings. Even after the “assault weapns" ban expired.

    Obama learned from the Clinton administration to lay low on gun control during his first term. Gun control was a significant factor as to why Clinton lost both sides of Congress (even Clinton said so during one of his State of the Union Addresses).

    We all know that Obama and the left will push HARD to restrict our rights over the next 4 years. Things like getting ALL semi-autos classified as NFA weapons, and/or an assault weapons ban that requires we all surrender them with no grandfather nor sunset clause this time.

    So does it make me a nut to wonder if all these mass shootings that have happened in the past 6 months are just coincidences?
    You're not the only one wondering.

    Information does not add up too often.
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    You can call me a nut job too... But I don't believe in coincidents so judge for yourselves. It is clear that they are coming for our guns. Everyone must decide for themselves what or when they will take action. I know where my line is drawn. I still have hope that this can be solved peacefully and through honest debate.

    Maybe I'm to much of an optimist, but I do not look forward to the civil war that is sure to come if they try to take our guns.

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    When I hear of "plots" like this I think about the Mel Gibson movie "Signs". The scene that comes to mind is where Mel and his two kids are sitting on the couch........all wearing tin hats.

    No offense to those of you considering this type of conspiracy, it is my personal opine that this is extreme. Possible, as anything is, but extreme.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    I was not thinking this way until this afternoon. There was a Dept of Homeland Security guy on tv talking about the weapons used on Conn. He stated that the weapon used was exclusively the ar15 bushmaster.

    He stated that the shooter had 2 handguns on him and had used one to commit suicide. He also stated that one weapon was found in the vehicle.

    He stated that there were 3 weapons total, but three were found on the shooter and one in the vehicle. Doesn't add up to me. He stated that the weapon used was the Bushmaster when all I heard reported by the media was the bushmaster being found in the vehicle.

    So, it seems that the administration was not satisfied that handguns were the weapon. That has now been changed to the evil "assault rifle" I look for that to be official.

    He also reported that all victims had been hit multiple times, 4-5 times. That is a lot of ammo being expended.

    Is it possible that the Portland shooting being interupted by a ccer did not result in the desired effect and another tragedy being necessary to prove the that assault rifles are evil?

    I shudder to think this is even remotely possible.

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    So how many shooters were there?

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038352_sc..._cover-up.html

    Was it the two as first reported or was it only one?
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