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    Pro Gun Club (Desert Hills) no longer allowing OC at the bar

    The new manager, despite no problems whatsoever, has decided to have a no-OC policy at the bar.

    He doesn't care if you are drinking or not. There is no restriction on concealed carry while at the bar. He just up and decided to stop allowing OC at the bar. It became official posted policy today, even though I (as the most known OC'ing member) was informed last Saturday while there for the Army-Navy game.
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    That sucks. We used to like going there.

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    If everyone came OC .. he is going to kick out everyone? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    That sucks. We used to like going there.
    Yeah. I haven't decided what I will do about it yet. I really like the staff and service and fellow membership that I know there. I spend good money there.

    Most of the membership is not affected, as they are shotgunners, or otherwise don't OC anyway. He's probably making a safe bet that it won't affect business.

    He recently agreed to some terms that will greatly increase my ability to use the range for students, too, so this will be an interesting dilemma, but I know which way I am leaning... Damn. I really liked the place.
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    I feel your pain mac. I hate having a repore (friendships really) with the staff of an establishment for so long only to be told that you arent welcome any longer. I would be more than happy to write a letter if you'd like. Just give me the details of membership and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    The new manager, despite no problems whatsoever, has decided to have a no-OC policy at the bar.

    He doesn't care if you are drinking or not. There is no restriction on concealed carry while at the bar. He just up and decided to stop allowing OC at the bar. It became official posted policy today, even though I (as the most known OC'ing member) was informed last Saturday while there for the Army-Navy game.
    What was his stated justification for continuing to allow CC while drinking at the bar? Did he say why he feels that CC is OK, while OC was not? Complaints, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HankT View Post
    What was his stated justification for continuing to allow CC while drinking at the bar? Did he say why he feels that CC is OK, while OC was not? Complaints, maybe?
    He gave no reason. He doesn't interact much with the membership. I'd barely recognize him on sight. It was just passed to us through the staff, one of whom is a former student of mine and often OC's while working, including while tending the bar.

    I can only assume he's an "out of sight, out of mind" person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HankT View Post
    What was his stated justification for continuing to allow CC while drinking at the bar?
    Maybe he's planning to cut staff to avoid Obama's health control scam, and thus needs to reduce his customer base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    He gave no reason. He doesn't interact much with the membership. I'd barely recognize him on sight. It was just passed to us through the staff, one of whom is a former student of mine and often OC's while working, including while tending the bar.

    I can only assume he's an "out of sight, out of mind" person.
    He should at least explain the decision. Almost everyone affected will want to know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
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    Hey Mac FYI you have a PM.

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    That is an interesting turn of events. Especially for a place that is known for guns. In my honest opinion, he probably made the choice based on the Connecticut shooting, and the whole "Out of sight, out of mind" being combined.

    I honestly hope you can get him to change his mind Mac, but sadly I would consider it a lost cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP_4_Life View Post
    That is an interesting turn of events. Especially for a place that is known for guns. In my honest opinion, he probably made the choice based on the Connecticut shooting, and the whole "Out of sight, out of mind" being combined.

    I honestly hope you can get him to change his mind Mac, but sadly I would consider it a lost cause.
    Read Macs post this happened a week before conn.

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    Hi Everyone,

    Long time reader of OC threads but finally registered to begin giving my two cents. I recently shot at the Pro Gun Club (it's been a few months since I had been there last) and asked about the new policy. The response from one of the many friendly faces was that the manager had received numerous and constant complaints from "other members" who felt unsafe having someone sit at the bar while openly carrying their sidearm. According to the staff, CC is still perfectly fine and they have never had any issues with anyone who had been sitting at the bar but to calm the nerves of the members, this new rule was enacted.

    Always liked going to this place, I just wish I can frequent more than once every other month. Hope this information answered some questions for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1964 View Post
    ... the manager had received numerous and constant complaints from "other members" ....
    Welcome, Freedom1964!

    No one else seems to have heard these complaints or concerns. If the complaints had come from "other members" as so claimed, these members would KNOW that everyone is concealing anyway at such a facility patronized by gun enthusiasts.

    So now, I spend far less time there than I used to. I am a big tipper. The bar, and especially the girls, have lost a lot of money (just from me) because of this policy. I used to drive out there just for the bar. Now, I'll actually leave there after using the facility, and go to PT's or the brewpub in Boulder City, where my firearm is as welcome as my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1964 View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    Long time reader of OC threads but finally registered to begin giving my two cents. I recently shot at the Pro Gun Club (it's been a few months since I had been there last) and asked about the new policy. The response from one of the many friendly faces was that the manager had received numerous and constant complaints from "other members" who felt unsafe having someone sit at the bar while openly carrying their sidearm. According to the staff, CC is still perfectly fine and they have never had any issues with anyone who had been sitting at the bar but to calm the nerves of the members, this new rule was enacted.

    Always liked going to this place, I just wish I can frequent more than once every other month. Hope this information answered some questions for you.
    This is what I call the ostrich syndrome, can't see it, it doesn't exist...

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    Wow, this is too bad... Now I'm reconsidering joining... I was about to go join today since I live by black mountain and it's a far shorter drive than where I go on BLM land south of the strip... How is BRPC? And can you just walk in with a check and join and start shooting the same day? The BRPC website is confusing with the mandatory orientation... Feel free to PM me with info so this thread doesn't get OT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrmptPlyr View Post
    Wow, this is too bad... Now I'm reconsidering joining... I was about to go join today since I live by black mountain and it's a far shorter drive than where I go on BLM land south of the strip... How is BRPC? And can you just walk in with a check and join and start shooting the same day? The BRPC website is confusing with the mandatory orientation... Feel free to PM me with info so this thread doesn't get OT...
    Boulder City has a public range. It's hours are posted on the web site. They have done lots of work over the last few years and it has become a very nice place to shoot. My memory is that there is an orientation on Saturday mornings. Last time I checed there was a $75.00 fee to join, then $75.00
    per year thereafter. It's a good deal.

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    I'm the OP. Don't worry about a hijack.

    BRPC really pissed me off last year and I didn't renew. I didn't brought students out there, because it is a non-commercial range, and I am not licensed in Boulder City. But I did a FREE class for the employees of a gun shop last year, and we went there to shoot. Not only did they kick me out for the day, even after acknowledging my intentions, but told me I had to go through orientation again (for purely punitive reasons). I never went back at all and did not renew my membership. It's their club. I may have been a little wrong, but they were A-HOLES about it.

    And the range officer that day violated several NRA safety rules including sweeping both himself and me with his loaded unholstered sidearm. And it wasn't the first time. Some of their ROs have a bad reputation for safety, others for being dicks. But I'm the one that gets kicked out for the day. Mostly because I'm a nice guy that doesn't argue.

    That said, I use to like their facility. My arrangement with Pro Gun Club allows me to bring students there and so I live with the disavantages, such as only one rifle bay that has to be shared. But they are growing constantly.

    So to answer your question, you will not be able to shoot the day you join, unless you are the guest of another member, or you are using the Courtesy Range. Orientation is the first Saturday of every month (at least while they are still accepting applications (which is not all year).
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    Mac, does the same day no range time apply to Pro Gun Club as well or just BRPC? If all else fails it's back to mile marker 12 today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1964 View Post
    the manager had received numerous and constant complaints from "other members" who felt unsafe having someone sit at the bar while openly carrying their sidearm.
    Why would anyone shoot at a range where the other shooters are so paranoid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I'm the OP. Don't worry about a hijack.

    BRPC really pissed me off last year and I didn't renew. I had NEVER brought students out there, because it is a non-commercial range, and I am not licensed in Boulder City. But I did a FREE class for the employees of a gun shop last year, and we went there to shoot. Not only did they kick me out for the day, even after acknowledging my intentions, but told me I had to go through orientation again (for purely punitive reasons). I never went back at all and did not renew my membership. It's their club. I may have been a little wrong, but they were A-HOLES about it.

    And the range officer that day violated several NRA safety rules including sweeping both himself and me with his loaded unholstered sidearm. And it wasn't the first time. Some of their ROs have a bad reputation for safety, others for being dicks. But I'm the one that gets kicked out for the day. Mostly because I'm a nice guy that doesn't argue.

    That said, I use to like their facility. My arrangement with Pro Gun Club allows me to bring students there and so I live with the disavantages, such as only one rifle bay that has to be shared. But they are growing constantly.

    So to answer your question, you will not be able to shoot the day you join, unless you are the guest of another member, or you are using the Courtesy Range. Orientation is the first Saturday of every month (at least while they are still accepting applications (which is not all year).
    I had an irritating experience with one of the RO's once also. It was an old guy who was bound and determined that I couldn't scrounge brass. I told him that I always pick up brass and have never heard that before. He told me they had an agreement with someone who got all the brass for emptying the trash barrels and carting it up to the dump. I told him that it was the first I ever heard of it. My family and I when we go shooting always clean up the pit we are shooting in. All the trash and brass. We leave it better than we found it. It was a bit of a heated "discussion". When I got home I looked up the range rules and found where not only did it not say we couldn't pick up brass, it encouraged it. Using this I wrote to the club and complained. They told me it would handled. It must have been as I never saw him again. All the other RO's I have dealt with seem very nice and accommodating.

    Mac you're too easy going. It is not "their" club, it's ours, the members. What the hell were they doing with their firearms out to be waving them around? That is worrisome indeed.

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    I shoot at Pro Gun Club about 3-4 times a month and love it there. The girls at the counter as well as the ROs are always very nice and accommodating. I open carry everywhere inside, but have yet to have a drink or eat at the bar so never really noticed that rule - that sucks, who complains about seeing guns at a gun range?! Those people have no business being at the range in the first place.

    Always find it interesting when a place that is either selling guns or is a gun club / shooting range does not allow open carry - a quick way to lose my business. Not sure about this one though, it's the best range I've found with the nicest staff... hopefully they change their policy before I'm forced to reconsider membership.

    Have you talked to anyone there yet Mac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elga View Post
    I shoot at Pro Gun Club about 3-4 times a month and love it there. The girls at the counter as well as the ROs are always very nice and accommodating. I open carry everywhere inside, but have yet to have a drink or eat at the bar so never really noticed that rule - that sucks, who complains about seeing guns at a gun range?! Those people have no business being at the range in the first place.

    Always find it interesting when a place that is either selling guns or is a gun club / shooting range does not allow open carry - a quick way to lose my business. Not sure about this one though, it's the best range I've found with the nicest staff... hopefully they change their policy before I'm forced to reconsider membership.

    Have you talked to anyone there yet Mac?
    Well, they know my feelings, yes. Interestingly, I was there last week, instructing as normal. I still open carry at all times there (the sign just says while at the bar) as do many. So one of the girls is petting my dog (who comes often) and I'm refilling my coffee (which is next to the bar). I got hassled about carrying IN THE BUILDING while I was refilling my coffee. I was surprised. I showed my surprise in my voice as I said I was only refilling my coffee. He snapped back: "Well, now you're just splitting hairs!" It REALLY annoyed me. But I'm now getting half of my business from the other membership, and the only way left for me to fight back is educating every one of my students as best I can.

    That, and I stopped spending money at the bar. The girls have probably noticed.

    They need a lot more people, especially members, to let them know how ridiculous it is. I've got my own target stands. I'm going to start taking some students to the quarry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    They need a lot more people, especially members, to let them know how ridiculous it is. I've got my own target stands. I'm going to start taking some students to the quarry.
    Well hopefully they read this, because I had cash in hand this morning and was itching to go join... Not gonna happen now... At least until tey change their policy... I don't appreciate those who pretend to support gun rights but turn around and pander to the fear mongers...

    Mac, PM me your contact details, I'd like to talk to you about some training...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Well, they know my feelings, yes. Interestingly, I was there last week, instructing as normal. I still open carry at all times there (the sign just says while at the bar) as do many. So one of the girls is petting my dog (who comes often) and I'm refilling my coffee (which is next to the bar). I got hassled about carrying IN THE BUILDING while I was refilling my coffee. I was surprised. I showed my surprise in my voice as I said I was only refilling my coffee. He snapped back: "Well, now you're just splitting hairs!" It REALLY annoyed me. But I'm now getting half of my business from the other membership, and the only way left for me to fight back is educating every one of my students as best I can.

    That, and I stopped spending money at the bar. The girls have probably noticed.

    They need a lot more people, especially members, to let them know how ridiculous it is. I've got my own target stands. I'm going to start taking some students to the quarry.
    Mac isn't it owned by some big hotel/casino magnate? That might be the reason as those folks don't seem to care too much for individual 2a rights.

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