Since my link doesn't seem to work I'll do the ole copy and paste. Keep in mind that I lost my cool and normally don't advocate the 2A in this manner. I guess just reading all the anti-gun stuff from that day got me more bothered than usual. It started on a FaceBook page that is a pro-2A. A user posted "I just wonder if the staff at this school was allowed to have guns if this would've happened?"
I posted my thoughts then a this broke out.
Anti-Or you get some gun control in the country and this will not happen on a monthly basis. How many innocent people must die before people understand this?
Me- Understand what, that disarming innocent, law abiding people somehow protects innocent, law abiding people? Do you really believe that making guns illegal will get them out of criminals hands? They are called criminals for a reason. Because they DO NOT obey the law. Why not make drugs illegal so this countries drug problem will go away? Oh wait, drugs are illegal but people still use, sell and die over them everyday.
Me- Also, we can make drinking and driving illegal so we have no more DUI deaths. Whats that?? It's already illegal. To blame an inanimate object for this is just ******* stupid. If guns kill then all of my guns are broken because they have never killed anyone. Just in case you don't know, there are already tons of laws against guns already.
In fact the school was a federal "gun free zone".. Guess what?? those guys didn't give 2 fucks about violating the "no gun zone" law. For fucks sake they murdered little kids...they are criminals..they didn't seem to really care regardless. Gun control isn't about guns..it's about control. Look at Australia, they took ALL guns away from Law abiding citizens but the criminals kept their guns..violent crime went up 66% and the brilliant politicians can't figure out what went wrong. So Mr.Scott C. Milne, if you don't enjoy our constitutional freedom to defend ourselves against attacks, maybe you can move your happy, hippie ass to Australia with the rest of the liberal fucks
Anti-Chris or Amber, not sure which I am talking to, but I will not be heading to Australia, I was born and raised in Canada. So if I go anywhere it is back to Canada. Why am I here?? Because I am a Forensic Scientist and there is alot more work down here for a reason!!! You are right the people who are going to break the law will still break the law, violent crimes happen in Canada just like they do in the USA, BUT you do not see the mass shootings like you do down here. With your arguement why bother having DUI laws??? BEACAUSE they protect the innocent from the idiots and from themselves. Yes we still have drinking and driving, but if there were no DUI laws you would have a lot more people drinking and driving and a lot more people dead because of it.
Anti-Go read the the constitution, wene it was written the guns available could take one shot and had to be reloaded. It was meant so people could form a militia to protect themselves from Britain or even your own government. I hate to tell you, but if you had to protect yourself from your own government you would not last very long. Again, I agree that the idiots out there will still be idiots, but everyone having guns does not mean you are protected. Go look at what happened in Detroit when I guy walked into the POC and started shooting. Armed police officers were not able to stop him from killing multiple people, including police officers who were armed.
Me-First off you are talking to Chris. My point is gun control does nothing more than disarm good people. Criminals will ALWAYS find a way around the law. You say to read the constitution. I have. Several times. You say the right to keep and bear arms was only meant for single shot guns (muskets)? Please point to me where it says that. Do you believe that the founding fathers, some of the most insightful and intelligent men that we have ever known didn't know that gun technology would advance over the years?
I get so damn sick of people saying that the 2nd Amendment was only meant for the guns from that time period. Under that theory the "freedom of press" would only apply to an actual printing press and NOT to TV, Radio, Internet, magazines, or the mass produced newspaper that we know today. You also say that if we (regular citizens) were to take on our Government today that we would lose. You're correct and let me tell you why. Back when OUR constitution was passed anything that the Government could have, so could we. Now they (the US Government) have taken our liberties away and have things that we can not. It wasn't like that back when. It is nothing more than tyranny.
President Obama wants to ban "assault" weapons but yet trained military killers protect his family with FULLY AUTOMATIC guns. Where is the liberty in that? "Gun Control" is a Hitler term. Hitler once said "to conquer a nation you must first disarm its citizens". You nor anyone will ever convince me that the only option that a 5'4, 115 pound woman should have against a 6'8, 240 pound rapist is to fist fight him. And as bad as I hate to admit it, yes, America does seem to have a violence issue. Why?? I don't know. No one does. But I do not blame guns for it. A gun can do no more than what the holder of said gun tells it to do. NONE of my guns have EVER jumped up on their own and went out and killed someone. It takes a human with free will to make that happen.
You say that having a gun doesn't mean that I'm protected. Once again, you are right. The same way that wearing a seat belt doesn't guarantee that I won't die in a car accident or that having working smoke detectors won't guarantee that I won't die in a fire at my house. BUT having those thing gives me a CHANCE of surviving. To quote the "shooters prayer", "Lord, if it is your will that I die in an act of violence today, I only ask that I die in a pile of my own spent brass" Do you know what that prayer means Mr. Milne?? It means I fought back!
You say that you are a Forensic Scientist. Well Mr. Milne I have been a Firefighter/EMT for 10+ years. I have dedicated my life to protect and save other. Mostly complete strangers that I have never met. I truly value and cherish human life. But believe me when I say that if ANYONE tries to harm my loved ones I will pump their body so full of ******* lead that their corpse will be worth money at the scrap yard. The NEXT to last thing that I ever want is to kill another human..the LAST thing I want is for my loved ones or myself to be killed. You come into a pro-gun site spewing anti-gun ********. Don't acted so shocked when you get your head bit of for walking into the lions den. Please reconsider your Anti-gun attitude.
Anti-I do not see any issue with people having guns, but there is no need for the semi automatic and automatic weapons to be sold to the public. Unfortunately, they are already a part of the fabric of the country. I am not shocked about people having a different view. I went to University in Kentucky (NOT UK... EKU). I have had my friends in KY yell at me when I state my views. I thank you for what you do, you save lives lives and put yours at risk everyday. I know guns do not kill people, but when they are in the hands of mentally ill people alot of people get killed. There have been 16 mass shootings in the US this year killing over 88 people.
Me-Don't get me wrong Mr. Milne, even though you and I have different views I realize and accept that as a citizen on American soil that you are entitled to your opinion as I am. I strongly disagree that citizens should not have semi automatic weapons. I myself carry a semi-automatic handgun. If I carried a single shot .22 revolver then I wouldn't be much of a match against a person attacking me with a semi-automatic .223 rifle.
You also say that the public should not have fully automatic guns...unless you have the proper paperwork, we can't. A person with an true automatic gun without the proper paperwork would do some serious prison time. I will share your opinion that felons or mentally ill people should be denied access to any kind of weapons. But the problem is that "reasonable restrictions" are nothing more than an opinion. And as you know opinions vary greatly between people. Your idea of "reasonable" and my idea of "reasonable" may be a million miles apart. I will acknowledge that America has a problem. But I have no idea how to fix it but I honestly don't feel that "gun control" is the answer.
