Here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLgO4wo4xI&feature=youtu.be
I know I,m preaching to the choir.
I know I,m preaching to the choir.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
PORTLAND -- Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire.
"I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?,'" he said.
The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.
"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."
The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.
"As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.
Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.
"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."
The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.
"I don't ever want to see anyone that way ever," said Meli. "It just bothers me."
So, why did he leave his position of cover/concealment and move to a different location?
There will be those when the need arises that are armed and will take the shot and those who will not.
In this case the shooter ended his own life stopping the threat to others.
As to the concept of seeing something or someone move behind him and was concerned of hitting an innocent, then one needs to take a kneeling position and take the shot, move to one side eliminating the possibility of hitting another and most of all, have the confidence in your abilities to get the shot as you do not know if they will stop or take more lives.
I rack this one along with the Tacoma Mall Shooter, failed.
This one is so easy to nit pick from an armchair. He was the one there, he was the only one who saw what he saw.... Until we are in that position, we don't have a clue.
This one is so easy to nit pick from an armchair. He was the one there, he was the only one who saw what he saw.... Until we are in that position, we don't have a clue.
it seems cut and dry that he bailed and is now coming up a story to cover up his cowardice. He is lucky that the guy killed himself and didn't decide to continue shooting people.
Here we have a forum for the promotion of open carry, carry rights and making it the norm. While many or most will tout that it is for self defense and we cannot wait for cops to respond or that law enforcement are all corrupt and against them and then when a incident is thrown in front of them, some will cower and claim or support the claim as good job, you made the right choice, attaboy when they turn and run when an active threat is right in front of them and those who will take action and stop the threat then and there.
Lack of training? Lack of Practice?, Confidence?, Ability? If you fall into one of these, one must asked Why Do You Carry? To just make a statement? Or look at me? Or to actually defend yourself and those in your presence when forced into an incident?
Not everyone has training and still have the confidence and ability to end the threat but have the mind set of not being a victim or to let others come to harm, clearly we have both that walk opposite sides of the line.
I don't have to have anything to back it up if you read the story he pretty much bailed, don't have to be an experienced gun fighter to read but since it seems like your eyes are tired. "Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision." it's great that he didn't have to shoot, but he still bailed when he went from cover to hiding in a store.From your statement you must be an experienced gunfighter because only a fool would talk sh@# with nothing to back it up.
I have one simple question for you Dave. Have you ever been directly engaged in a firefight?
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Yes I have had a gun pulled on a friend and myself while sitting in a vehicle when we were not able to lawfully have one and it was all over stupidity of my friend trying to collect a betting debt after a pool game.
And oh I don't know does having mortars blowing up around you and rounds popping with in feet of you, count?
Yes I have had people in my sights and finger on the trigger and the threat was stopped before having to shoot but I did not run and hide but it seems that is getting to be your preferred choice.
This has little to do with what I have presented here, I know it is an attempt to derail the topic at hand but I would not expect less from you at this point.
If you or anyone is going to carry explore the mind set, become knowledgeable and confident you can hit what you are aiming at.
There are good training facilities around the Puget Sound that will provide instruction and hands on for engaging targets that are moving or while you are on the move, shooting from different position such as standing, kneeling, on the ground with cover and with out to low light and no light.
There are numerous people who effective defend themselves with out it but the do have the mindset of not being a victim though there is no doubt that civilian training will help and different then military or police training.