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    And the contradictions start.

    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    I don't see any contradictions.It seems clear that their strict gun control did work to achieve their goals. The same thing would probably happen here if we did the same thing. That doesn't mean we should.I'm quite happy to trade safety for freedom. Why won't more people admit that?

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    "I'm quite happy to trade safety for freedom. Why won't more people admit that? "

    +1 and many more...
    I aim with my eye... I shoot with my mind... I kill with my heart....
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    ASAP to avoid any further confusion.........

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    Interesting... Gunfacts.info shows that Australia has the highest contact crime rates out of all other first class countries (Page 2)... Wonder who's correct

    Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime.
    Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of
    robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries. (Criminal Victimization in Seventeen Industrialized Countries, Dutch Ministry of Justice, 2001.)
    Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
    Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms, government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity.31 In 2001-2002, homicides were up another 20%. 32

    From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
    • Firearm-related murders were up 19%
    • Armed robberies were up 69%
    • Home invasions were up 21%

    The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
    • Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
    • Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
    Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more in the previous year. 33

    Fact: A ten year Australian study has concluded that firearm confiscation had no effect on crime rates.34
    A separate report also concluded that Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no] evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides” 35 and yet another report from Australia for a similar time period indicates the same lack of decline in firearm homicides 36

    Fact: Despite having much stricter gun control than New Zealand (including a near ban on
    handguns) firearm homicides in both countries track one another over 25 years, indicating that
    gun control is not a control variable.
    37
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    In a way I can understand why Australia is this way, they were basically a penal colony for a long time so it's embedded in their culture to submit their freedoms. Eh, ok, maybe that was a bit harsh but IMO it's deserved.

    Good thing their are blatant counter-examples like Switzerland and Israel that the anti-gun ostriches can't ignore. I know this picture has been going around facebook like wildfire:

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    You would be ok if I locked you up in a cell for the rest of your life if you were safe and taken care of?

    I will never trade safety for freedom.

    We are not a small island nation, we do not have the historical perspective of Australia....
    I think in that trade, he meant he'd be receiving the freedom, not the safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilead_Gunslinger View Post
    "I'm quite happy to trade safety for freedom. Why won't more people admit that? "

    +1 and many more...
    If I were a betting man, I'd bet every prisoner in prison would admit the same thing.

    actually thinking about it, some prisoners feel safer in prison and dont want freedom. The government already owns them.
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    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxx.jakk.xxx View Post
    I think in that trade, he meant he'd be receiving the freedom, not the safety.
    Yep, I read it too quick and backwards I believe.... sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxx.jakk.xxx View Post
    I think in that trade, he meant he'd be receiving the freedom, not the safety.
    That's how I read it after thinking about it for a bit. But, you're right Nick, it can be read either way. However, considering the forum where the comment was made, I concluded that he meant giving up some safety in order to ensure freedom. And here it comes, folks.... (drum roll), "Me too!"
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    yes, yes... give me freedom over safety.... or as mel gibson said... FREEEEDOMMM!!! or was that william wallace....?
    I aim with my eye... I shoot with my mind... I kill with my heart....
    - The Gunslinger's Litany (paraphrased)

    It has been brought to my attention that the stick figure decals on
    the back windows of vehicles are NOT pedestrian 'kill' scores, but are
    actually meant to represent family members. I'll be removing mine
    ASAP to avoid any further confusion.........

    First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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