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    Gov. McDonnell Willing to Discuss Allowing Teachers and Others to Carry in Schools

    http://www.wtop.com/610/3162096/Gov-...hool-officials

    The governor didn't outright say that he would support allowing legal carrying in schools, but he most certainly didn't reject the idea either.

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    I'd like to know where he thinks he is going to get the authority to allow it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I'd like to know where he thinks he is going to get the authority to allow it?
    That's probably a wording-choice error on my part. It probably should have said something more along the line of "discuss legalizing carry in schools," which, of course, cannot simply be done by the governor and would have to go through the General Assembly. That's what I get for posting something while studying for final exams at the same time.

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    Gov. McDonnell Willing to Discuss Allowing Teachers and Others to Carry in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I'd like to know where he thinks he is going to get the authority to allow it?
    Same place states have allowed marijuana use? Maybe we are getting to a point some states are getting tired of big brother. I would support this fully. Not having arms in school hasn't worked.

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    Of course, this being he does it the right way.

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    I heard on the radio news tonight a tape of Gov McD saying he has always supported keeping guns 1,000 feet from school, except for LEO . . . . . . Does this mean he is unaware of the automobile container exceptions (allowed within the 1,000 foot buffer)? Does he know what the law currently says?
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I'd like to know where he thinks he is going to get the authority to allow it?
    It would appear that [Special] Conservators of the Peace can CC in schools.

    Individuals (faculty, staff) so designated could be trained in the proper tactics and protocols to defend a school against an armed attacker/intruder.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    It would appear that [Special] Conservators of the Peace can CC in schools.
    If I remember correctly; they may OC or CC in, or around, any place they're assigned to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    It would appear that [Special] Conservators of the Peace can CC in schools.

    Individuals (faculty, staff) so designated could be trained in the proper tactics and protocols to defend a school against an armed attacker/intruder.
    That's true. They are actually LEO's in a very limited venue but the Governor can't appoint them. That's the Circuit Courts job...unless it's changed drastically in the last few years.

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    Gov. McDonnell Willing to Discuss Allowing Teachers and Others to Carry in Schools

    Check out the pilot paper. Theres a front page thing on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    Check out the pilot paper. Theres a front page thing on it.

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    http://hamptonroads.com/2012/12/bob-...hool-officials

    Not only Teachers and Administrators, all LAC's should be allowed to carry for the students protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I'd like to know where he thinks he is going to get the authority to allow it?
    As I understand it, Montana passed a law allowing teachers and administrators to go armed in school and that in their state, the federal law as null and void. I have only read this and know nothing about; whether is true or false. If it is true, then one would have to assume the general assembly here could do the same... though I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    As I understand it, Montana passed a law allowing teachers and administrators to go armed in school and that in their state, the federal law as null and void. I have only read this and know nothing about; whether is true or false. If it is true, then one would have to assume the general assembly here could do the same... though I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
    That was really my point SB.
    To be honest, I don't much care what McDonnell is saying, he's just running his mouth.
    I'm watching to see what Obama who is the real danger, is going to do and I suspect it won't involve Congress...and what bills get introduced here.

    I'm going to pull a Phlip and say I don't care what other states do. They have to take care of themselves.

    I'm expecting a firestorm here though.

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    Gov. McDonnell Willing to Discuss Allowing Teachers and Others to Carry in Schools

    I am waiting for some type of executive order etc to come out. Who know hat he will try. We had gun grabs during Katrina with a video of a Marine saying they obey orders about doing it. Wonder how many will remember that little oath they swore to uphold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    It would appear that [Special] Conservators of the Peace can CC in schools.

    Individuals (faculty, staff) so designated could be trained in the proper tactics and protocols to defend a school against an armed attacker/intruder.
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    That's true. They are actually LEO's in a very limited venue but the Governor can't appoint them. That's the Circuit Courts job...unless it's changed drastically in the last few years.
    True enough, but the court appoints them at the request of some local official (e.g. police chief, sheriff, etc.). And this option doesn't need the Governor's approval.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    The WTOP article has a glaring error. ::gasp:: What a shock!

    Directly after a quote from Governor McDonnell, the author begins a new paragraph with this text:

    "Currently, laws in Virginia ban anyone from carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of school grounds. Only police officers are exempt."

    They provide a link to § 18.2-282, which is the brandishing code, and which does NOT outlaw carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. Instead, it does increase the penalty for brandishing within 1,000 feet from a Class 1 misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony.

    I would not be surprised if this "error" was intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    It would appear that [Special] Conservators of the Peace can CC in schools.

    Individuals (faculty, staff) so designated could be trained in the proper tactics and protocols to defend a school against an armed attacker/intruder.
    The Code of VA is a strange beast. If you read the Code for C.O.P.s they are specifically prohibited from being used in schools. I cannot find any other Code that addresses armed security in schools other than SROs/certified LEOs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    The Code of VA is a strange beast. If you read the Code for C.O.P.s they are specifically prohibited from being used in schools. I cannot find any other Code that addresses armed security in schools other than SROs/certified LEOs.
    That makes it even more interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    The WTOP article has a glaring error. ::gasp:: What a shock!

    Directly after a quote from Governor McDonnell, the author begins a new paragraph with this text:

    "Currently, laws in Virginia ban anyone from carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of school grounds. Only police officers are exempt."

    They provide a link to § 18.2-282, which is the brandishing code, and which does NOT outlaw carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. Instead, it does increase the penalty for brandishing within 1,000 feet from a Class 1 misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony.

    I would not be surprised if this "error" was intentional.

    TFred
    Update:

    Give credit where it's due, after pointing the author to Philp and a few e-mails back and forth, she corrected the article and it is much more accurate now. If only all reporters were as willing and eager to be accurate in their reporting on these issues!

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    That's true. They are actually LEO's in a very limited venue but the Governor can't appoint them. That's the Circuit Courts job...unless it's changed drastically in the last few years.
    You are right Peter, it is the Circuit Court that appoints them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Update:

    Give credit where it's due, after pointing the author to Philp and a few e-mails back and forth, she corrected the article and it is much more accurate now. If only all reporters were as willing and eager to be accurate in their reporting on these issues!

    TFred
    She also erred with non-CHP holders and the "closed container" provision. I sent her an e-mail.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    The Code of VA is a strange beast. If you read the Code for C.O.P.s they are specifically prohibited from being used in schools. I cannot find any other Code that addresses armed security in schools other than SROs/certified LEOs.
    I didn't see that
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