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MT OC Report

slapmonkay

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Costco has in their terms when you sign up that no guns are allowed, I remember reading that when I signed up (several times since I let it lapse, and then got it again, a couple of times).

There are no such terms listed in the membership agreement. If you find it, scan it and post it ill buy you a cookie and coffee.
 
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EMNofSeattle

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I went and pulled the current membership agreement, and there is no mention of it in there.

Which kinda begs the question, how can they exclude you from property which you pay them for the privelage to access for violating rules they never told you about?

But I know this has been discussed to death on other threads, that part though never made sense to me
 

MontanaCZ

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I have been a member since the Price-Costco days (not continuously). I know (but cannot prove) that at one time it was in there; I distinctly remember reading it. Their processing now is pretty simple, but in the past there was a form with all the rules that you signed. Anyway, things do change, so if it is not in there currently, I am not sure how they could other than it still is private property. Apologies for making a mess of this thread.
 

Bernymac

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My 15 YO son open carried in West Yellowstone and in the Mountain Man Rendezvous bazaar by Targhee Pass. Being from Las Vegas, that was a 2A reinforcing moment for the young man! No harassment save for the guy with a heavy Russian accent who got mad when we were taking family pictures around the general area. He screamed "you must delete picture!" I told him to kiss my ass. The photos did not even contain any of the merchandise.:mad:
 

EMNofSeattle

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My 15 YO son open carried in West Yellowstone and in the Mountain Man Rendezvous bazaar by Targhee Pass. Being from Las Vegas, that was a 2A reinforcing moment for the young man! No harassment save for the guy with a heavy Russian accent who got mad when we were taking family pictures around the general area. He screamed "you must delete picture!" I told him to kiss my ass. The photos did not even contain any of the merchandise.:mad:

Just be aware, that Federal law places certain restrictions on a <18 year old carrying a handgun alone. While the open carry age is 14 in montana and state officers can't arrest or prosecute him for obeying state law, if something ever happened and a harassing US Atty wants to make a name for himself...

Just look into that and be aware.

other then that cool to hear everrthing went well, montana is a very OC friendly place
 

slapmonkay

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Just be aware, that Federal law places certain restrictions on a <18 year old carrying a handgun alone. While the open carry age is 14 in montana and state officers can't arrest or prosecute him for obeying state law, if something ever happened and a harassing US Atty wants to make a name for himself...

Just look into that and be aware.

other then that cool to hear everrthing went well, montana is a very OC friendly place

The specific section your looking for is the 'Gun Control Act of 1968' which is codified as 18 USC 922 (x).

(x)
(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.​
(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.​
(3) This subsection does not apply to—
(A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile—
(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;​
(ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile’s parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, except—
(I) during transportation by the juvenile of an unloaded handgun in a locked container directly from the place of transfer to a place at which an activity described in clause (i) is to take place and transportation by the juvenile of that handgun, unloaded and in a locked container, directly from the place at which such an activity took place to the transferor; or
(II) with respect to ranching or farming activities as described in clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition with the prior written approval of the juvenile’s parent or legal guardian and at the direction of an adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State or local law from possessing a firearm;​
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;​
(B) a juvenile who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard who possesses or is armed with a handgun in the line of duty;
(C) a transfer by inheritance of title (but not possession) of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile; or
(D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which the juvenile is an invited guest.​
(4) A handgun or ammunition, the possession of which is transferred to a juvenile in circumstances in which the transferor is not in violation of this subsection shall not be subject to permanent confiscation by the Government if its possession by the juvenile subsequently becomes unlawful because of the conduct of the juvenile, but shall be returned to the lawful owner when such handgun or ammunition is no longer required by the Government for the purposes of investigation or prosecution.
(5) For purposes of this subsection, the term “juvenile” means a person who is less than 18 years of age.
(6)
(A) In a prosecution of a violation of this subsection, the court shall require the presence of a juvenile defendant’s parent or legal guardian at all proceedings.
(B) The court may use the contempt power to enforce subparagraph (A).
(C) The court may excuse attendance of a parent or legal guardian of a juvenile defendant at a proceeding in a prosecution of a violation of this subsection for good cause shown.​
 

Bernymac

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I should have been more clear. My son was under my direct supervision. The exercise was also to teach him situational awareness.
 
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EMNofSeattle

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I should have been more clear. My son was under my direct supervision. The exercise was also to teach him situational awareness.

very good, I figured he was, but i just wanted to let you know in so you could be aware.

Very good! montana is an excellent state for open carry since people outside of a few californie enclaves don't mind it at all.
 

Emmeric

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I have a concealed permit for Silver Bow County to carry concealed in Montana, but I open carry every single day.

Well, unless it's 20 below... I wear a jacket then.

The only places unfriendly to any OC are banks. Even had bank employees claim they were Federal buildings. So other than banks, no issues in Butte, MT. Been in line buying gas at Conoco and had a police officer behind me holding his coffee. He moved to my left side (I am a leftie) to take a gander at my make and model (it's a beautiful STI Legacy .45acp).

Other than banks, only had one issue. A local liquor store told me back in February or so (2013) that carrying was now illegal in the stores due to liquor license laws. I offered to email the state Attorney General and forward the results. He gave me his email addy and I contacted Mister Fowler. He confirmed there was no change in liquor laws that would prohibit OC. Seems some state regulatory official thinks too much of himself and has arbitrarily decided that liquor stores are no-no for OC.

When I forwarded the Attorney General's email to the liquor store where I buy my rum, I offered to stop OCing if he desired (I didn't tell him I would CC instead). He emailed me back and said I was very welcome to carry in his store as long as it was legal.

Which pains me to reinforce to those OCing. Be aware of the law. Don't be afraid to politely offer to inform at a convenient time the laws of the state. Always defer to the wishes of a manager/owner who asks you not to carry. Some officials in the state will attempt to make their own law. It's called regulatory creep - laws without legislation. Stand up to it, politely. Resist it. If an owner/manager desires you not to OC despite informing them of the law, accede to their wishes; do not argue. They have every right to tell you to not OC.

In my experience, Butte is very OC friendly. Other towns nearby as well. Always offer a smile when being confronted by a manager or owner or employee. Remember, this is the person whose life you might one day save and your impression matters to all of us OCers.
 

MontanaResident

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When I forwarded the Attorney General's email to the liquor store where I buy my rum, I offered to stop OCing if he desired (I didn't tell him I would CC instead). He emailed me back and said I was very welcome to carry in his store as long as it was legal.

When I OC at the nearby bar to buy a bottle, I usually get a comment. Nothing rude or ment to be preventive or even objectionable. Like: Is that a 629?. I guess it's the novelty of OCing at all. This is High Mountain ultra rural, MT. I guess everybody else CCs making me the odd one. :)
 
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DCR

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I offered to email the state Attorney General and forward the results. He gave me his email addy and I contacted Mister Fowler. He confirmed there was no change in liquor laws that would prohibit OC. Seems some state regulatory official thinks too much of himself and has arbitrarily decided that liquor stores are no-no for OC.

Picking nits, I know, but Mark Fowler is the Chief Deupty AG - almost the top dog, and a title like that on letterhead looks just beautiful. Tim Fox is THE Attorney General, and I only mention it because he's a close family friend and a gun guy, and we worked hard through one unsuccessful election and finally hit pay dirt in the last one. MT's chief legal beagles are good gun guys, and the citizens are in good hands.

So odd banks are getting fidgety about openly carried guns - Montana's not "one big small town" anymore. Wasn't that long ago (well, 30 years is long I guess!) my dear old grandpa would send me down the way to the local mom n pop market on my skateboard for a carton of cigarettes, or wait in the warm car while sending me in to the liquor store or bar after the state store closed to get his brown-water, and I was barely tall enough to see over the counters much less reach far enough to put the money in the clerk's hand!
 
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