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    I need to mail my gun

    After talking to Springfield about a problem my XD has been having with it's ability to accept magazines they asked me to FED EX it to them for troubleshooting and repair. The company sent me a pre paid label and then it hit me. I thought you where not allowed to mail firearms without being a FFL dealer. Am I missing something or did I misunderstand federal law. I know I have been at the post office and I have seen signs saying you can not mail guns or ammo. Is there a trick in mailing my gun for repair?
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    Unless I'm missing something, if Springfield sent you a Federal Express shipper why are you dealing
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    Regular people have to ship guns at high prices via next day air as I understand it, whereas FFL holders can ship them less expensively. This is why they sent you the "shipper", so that you could ship it under their FFL.

    I'm no expert on this subject, so call Springfield or any other FFL holder, or even hit up the ATF website or something, and find out more.

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    Springfield Armory IS an FFL. You can ship directly to them.
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    As long as you ship it UPS or FedEx to an FFL, you are fine. DO NOT take it to the US Post Office.

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    I need to mail my gun

    i shipped a gun via ups to stag arms under their shipping label and it was shipped back to my doorstep no problems...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PFC HALE View Post
    i shipped a gun via ups to stag arms under their shipping label and it was shipped back to my doorstep no problems...
    I did the same with Kahr. You will need to take the gun to the actual FedEx hub as most of the storefront shops won't take them if they know it's a gun, and you are supposed to tell them it's a gun. Springfield sent you the shipper so you can send it on their dime and not yours.

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    Mail vs Ship vs Next Day.........

    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    After talking to Springfield about a problem my XD has been having with it's ability to accept magazines they asked me to FED EX it to them for troubleshooting and repair. The company sent me a pre paid label and then it hit me. I thought you where not allowed to mail firearms without being a FFL dealer. Am I missing something or did I misunderstand federal law. I know I have been at the post office and I have seen signs saying you can not mail guns or ammo. Is there a trick in mailing my gun for repair?
    http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/res.../firearms.html
    http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rule..._articles.html

    I am going to presume you are talking about a handgun and you are not an FFL dealer.

    I just shipped a handgun last month with UPS. Fedex gave me the "are you an FFL line" so I went to UPS. For some reason the person at FedEx was not able to read thier own shipping rules. I was directed to the local UPS "main shipping hub" as the local stores were not licensed to ship firearms.

    You may not "mail" the handgun you must "ship" it with a next day service. I suggest using UPS Next day air saver. You are required to ship using next day service and since UPS has two next day options with a twenty dollar difference I used them and was very happy with the service.

    Aside from the cost the difference between the UPS next day options is the guaranteed delivery time. UPS Next Day Air and Early A.M. will be delivered before noon, UPS Next Day Air Saver is delivered by 4pm.

    It should ship right back to your door. Hope this helps a bit.

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    FAQ From FEDERAL FIREARMS REGULATIONS REFERENCE GUIDE


    (F14) Who may ship handguns through the U.S. Postal Service?

    Federal firearm licensees may send an unloaded handgun in the mail to another FFL in customary trade shipments.
    Handguns also may be mailed to any officer, employee, agent, or watchman who is eligible under 18 U.S.C. 1715 to receive pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person for use in connection with his
    or her official duties. However, postal service regulations must be followed. Any person proposing to mail a handgun must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee stating that the addressee is qualified
    to receive the firearm, and the affidavit must bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official use of the
    addressee. See the current Postal Manual for details. The Postal Service recommends that all firearms be sent by registered
    mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of
    any parcel containing firearms.
    (See also Questions B7 and B8.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitney View Post
    I suggest using UPS Next day air saver. You are required to ship using next day service and since UPS has two next day options with a twenty dollar difference I used them and was very happy with the service.
    If Springfield sent him a shipper they are likely picking up the cost and if their account is with FedEx then he'll have to use FedEx or pick up the cost himself (unless they also have a UPS account and would send him another shipper).

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    It should ship right back to your door. Hope this helps a bit.
    This is true. The problem I found with our local UPS drivers is that they will leave the package, that is clearly marked ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED, on my doorstep. When I was dealing with Kahr and my gun went back and forth several times I had to ask them to start shipping it FedEx since the FedEx drivers would actually follow the instructions. Now there is no guarantee that in the OP's situation it won't be reversed but I've had to deal with some other warranty centers for various brands and I've requested FedEx for the above reason and they've assured me they only deal with FedEx because of the complaints they've received about UPS drivers leaving the guns on the front porch....so I guess it's not just my goofball local guys.

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    There's no guarantee that FedEx or UPS will honor the signature required mandate. They are usually good about it, but not always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    After talking to Springfield about a problem my XD has been having with it's ability to accept magazines they asked me to FED EX it to them for troubleshooting and repair. The company sent me a pre paid label and then it hit me. I thought you where not allowed to mail firearms without being a FFL dealer. Am I missing something or did I misunderstand federal law. I know I have been at the post office and I have seen signs saying you can not mail guns or ammo. Is there a trick in mailing my gun for repair?
    Just pack it up good, put the label on it, and take it to a REAL FedEx office. NOT one of those Mailboxes Etc, places. They won't accept it.
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    Cool

    You are not selling a gun, you are not buying a gun, you are sending it in for service, and can legaly either fed X or UPS (they have tracking numbers get one) it anyplace in the USA.

    Their sending you a FED X box N label is SOP... Schedule home pick up...

    N +1 stay away from the post office they are anal about that type of thing, and if you must use the USPS then it is Machine parts PERIOD, n be sure to insure it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    ... I thought you where not allowed to mail firearms without being a FFL dealer...
    The misunderstood term here is "mail" which actually means using the US Postal Service.

    As already mentioned, a non-FFL can mail long guns, but not handguns. This is why they sent you a FedEx box, so you will privately ship it instead of mailing it.
    Last edited by MAC702; 01-04-2013 at 01:32 PM.
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    Re: I need to mail my gun

    Just a update for everyone, I mailed my XD off today. Springfield did provide me with a free shipping label and I put the XD in a free FED EX express box. I boxed everything up at home and dropped it off this afternoon. It was quick and easy, FED EX scanned the barcode that was that. They asked me no questions and I gave no explanations. I have a tracking number and have it insured for the guns full amount through Springfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    Just a update for everyone, I mailed my XD off today. ...
    To avoid perpetuating the confusion that caused this in the first place:

    You did not mail it.

    You shipped it.
    Last edited by MAC702; 01-04-2013 at 05:11 PM.
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    Re: I need to mail my gun

    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    To avoid perpetuating the confusion that caused this in the first place:

    You did not mail it.

    You shipped it.
    Not trying to come across with a attitude so please don't take this as aggression but out of curiosity is there really a difference? USPS or FED EX, it goes into a box and the box gets delivered
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    Legally, yes, there is a tremendous difference. Domestically "mail" ONLY refers to the US Postal Service. The difference is a felony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    Not trying to come across with a attitude so please don't take this as aggression but out of curiosity is there really a difference? USPS or FED EX, it goes into a box and the box gets delivered
    Obviously, there is a difference, as evidenced by the 17 replies to your original post. The majority of people consider the act of 'mailing' to mean sending a package or envelope via the United States Postal Service. 'Shipping' a package is generally understood to mean some delivery service OTHER THAN the USPS, e.g. FedEx, UPS, Yellow Freight, Holland Motor Freight, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    Legally, yes, there is a tremendous difference. Domestically "mail" ONLY refers to the US Postal Service. The difference is a felony.
    and as we like to say on many occasions on this forum in relation to the law: "Words mean stuff".
    [also no aggression meant]

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    1+ someone got it...

    Yes they posses a FFL so it can be shipped to and from them.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Springfield Armory IS an FFL. You can ship directly to them.

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    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

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    Re: I need to mail my gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    If Springfield sent him a shipper they are likely picking up the cost and if their account is with FedEx then he'll have to use FedEx or pick up the cost himself (unless they also have a UPS account and would send him another shipper).



    This is true. The problem I found with our local UPS drivers is that they will leave the package, that is clearly marked ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED, on my doorstep. When I was dealing with Kahr and my gun went back and forth several times I had to ask them to start shipping it FedEx since the FedEx drivers would actually follow the instructions. Now there is no guarantee that in the OP's situation it won't be reversed but I've had to deal with some other warranty centers for various brands and I've requested FedEx for the above reason and they've assured me they only deal with FedEx because of the complaints they've received about UPS drivers leaving the guns on the front porch....so I guess it's not just my goofball local guys.

    Bronson
    I have an FFL 03 and the driver just leaves the package on my side porch too... despite the statement regarding a signature.
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