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    Just how violent are those left wingers anyways? Man suggests killing gun owners.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/pry-guns-...-works-for-me/
    DES MOINES, Iowa – For 50 years, the left-leaning columnist Donald Kaul has raged against guns, but after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, he says, it’s time for “anger,” killing gun owners and dragging legislators who disagree with gun control behind pickup trucks until they get the message.
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/pry-guns-...fPBCoXv6ETM.99
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    so basically this guy is against guns, but is proposing torturous murder should be committed against millions times as many people as the number that have been killed in the recent massacres, including legislators.
    I believe that makes him eligible for lethal injection

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    We should thank him for proving our point.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    We should thank him for proving our point.
    Which one(s)?
    That the anti-gun crowd is a bunch of violent lunatics?
    That the anti-gun crowd hates freedom?

    That guy, to me, sounded like a fascist dictator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Which one(s)?
    That the anti-gun crowd is a bunch of violent lunatics?
    That the anti-gun crowd hates freedom?

    That guy, to me, sounded like a fascist dictator.
    Also, that guns don't kill people, but rather people kill people and sometimes use guns.

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    I don't see how any left-winger could murder gun owners since no left-wingers own firearms.

    I'm not sure if this has anything to do with a more comprehensive map of firearm owners making its way to the internet. I reade a study--some years ago, can't seem to find it--that questioned convicted burglars about the presence of a firearm in the potential home. Nearly every burglar stated that they would not enter a home where they knew the home owner had a firearm. If anything, the map provided of firearm owners makes it less likely they are burglarized. Burglars don't want trouble, and they definitely don't want to be dealing with an armed homeowner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I don't see how any left-winger could murder gun owners since no left-wingers own firearms.

    I'm not sure if this has anything to do with a more comprehensive map of firearm owners making its way to the internet. I reade a study--some years ago, can't seem to find it--that questioned convicted burglars about the presence of a firearm in the potential home. Nearly every burglar stated that they would not enter a home where they knew the home owner had a firearm. If anything, the map provided of firearm owners makes it less likely they are burglarized. Burglars don't want trouble, and they definitely don't want to be dealing with an armed homeowner.
    yes, that makes perfect logical sense in regards to burglars attempting to steal your valuables.
    but there are also burglars that only steal guns, and that list just helped these types of people out quite a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    yes, that makes perfect logical sense in regards to burglars attempting to steal your valuables.
    but there are also burglars that only steal guns, and that list just helped these types of people out quite a bit
    But, but, but... My point is that the vast majority of burglars wouldn't even attempt it, and the ones who would, well, "I'll be wait'n."
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I don't see how any left-winger could murder gun owners since no left-wingers own firearms.
    That's what government is for in the mind of progressives. This is the point of gun control... so that we are unable to defend ourselves from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keylock View Post
    That's what government is for in the mind of progressives. This is the point of gun control... so that we are unable to defend ourselves from them.
    Stay calm, they aren't coming for your guns, promise.

    An unarmed society doesn't necessarily lead to genocide. Nazi Germany was not unarmed.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Stay calm, they aren't coming for your guns, promise.

    An unarmed society doesn't necessarily lead to genocide. Nazi Germany was not unarmed.
    True in some cases, not so true in others. The populations of Australia and Britain are still with us for the moment, though they are now prey of the criminal element on the streets. They are essentially prey to the criminal element in government who view them as tax livestock. Semantics I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Stay calm, they aren't coming for your guns, promise.
    and you know this how??
    Feinstein has been trying to remove every gun from the hands of US citizens fro years. she has publicly stated it over and over that if she could she definitely would completely disarm all of america except soldiers and leo's in the service of their duties

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    and you know this how??
    Feinstein has been trying to remove every gun from the hands of US citizens fro years. she has publicly stated it over and over that if she could she definitely would completely disarm all of america except soldiers and leo's in the service of their duties
    I've got contacts north of the 49th... sucks to be a cop up there. No carry off duty. Criminal element knows this and anybody with a 'puter can find out where they live. Even the military will be disarmed. Ft. Hood comes to mind, not a soldier to be found carrying.

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    columnist Donald Kaul can make a terroristic threat of violence and get away with it,eh? Like the clown that waved the AR mag on TV after being told by LEOs not to do that.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Stay calm, they aren't coming for your guns, promise.

    An unarmed society doesn't necessarily lead to genocide. Nazi Germany was not unarmed.
    Of course Nazi Germany was armed. They were the ones who took over from the previously peaceful Germans.

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    Kitty Werthmann survived Hitler.

    “What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or read in history books,” she likes to tell audiences.

    “I am a witness to history.

    “I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history.


    “We voted him in.”

    If you remember the plot of the Sound of Music, the Von Trapp family escaped over the Alps rather than submit to the Nazis. Kitty wasn’t so lucky. Her family chose to stay in her native Austria. She was 10 years old, but bright and aware. And she was watching.

    “We elected him by a landslide – 98 percent of the vote,” she recalls.

    She wasn’t old enough to vote in 1938 – approaching her 11th birthday. But she remembers.


    “Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.”

    No so.


    “In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25 percent inflation and 25 percent bank loan interest rates.

    Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs.

    “My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.’

    “We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933.” she recalls. “We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living.


    “Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group – Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone in Germany was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back.

    “Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

    “We were overjoyed,” remembers Kitty, “and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.



    “After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

    “Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

    “Then we lost religious education for kids



    “Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,’ and had physical education.

    “Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.”

    And then things got worse.

    “The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free.

    “We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

    “My mother was very unhappy,” remembers Kitty. “When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination.

    “I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing.



    “Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time, unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler.

    “It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

    “Then food rationing began

    “In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death.

    “Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

    “Soon after this, the draft was implemented.


    “It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps,” remembers Kitty. “During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.

    “They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines.

    “When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.

    “Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

    “When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers.

    “You could take your children ages four weeks old to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, seven days a week, under the total care of the government.

    “The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

    “Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna..

    “After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything.

    “When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full.

    “If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

    “As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80 percent of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families.

    “All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

    “We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.

    “ Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands.

    “Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

    “We had consumer protection, too


    “We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, and then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

    “In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated.

    “So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work.

    “I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van.

    “I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months.

    “They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

    “As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

    “Then they took our guns

    “Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.



    “No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

    “Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

    “This is my eye-witness account.

    “It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

    “America is truly is the greatest country in the world.

    “Don’t let freedom slip away.

    “After America, there is no place to go.”
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I don't see how any left-winger could murder gun owners since no left-wingers own firearms.

    I'm not sure if this has anything to do with a more comprehensive map of firearm owners making its way to the internet. I reade a study--some years ago, can't seem to find it--that questioned convicted burglars about the presence of a firearm in the potential home. Nearly every burglar stated that they would not enter a home where they knew the home owner had a firearm. If anything, the map provided of firearm owners makes it less likely they are burglarized. Burglars don't want trouble, and they definitely don't want to be dealing with an armed homeowner.
    Sorry, that's utter nonsense.

    BURGLARS avoid OCCUPIED dwellings, armed or otherwise. I'm sure they ESPECIALLY avoid OCCUPIED, ARMED dwellings.

    Having a literal map of places where there are firearms allows them to narrow their focus and wait for their target location to be UNOCCUPIED.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Stay calm, they aren't coming for your guns, promise.

    An unarmed society doesn't necessarily lead to genocide. Nazi Germany was not unarmed.
    So, JEWS were allowed to be armed in NSDAP Germany?

    I'll be a nice guy and warn you up front that I've already had this conversation with a retired BATF thug. He tried the dodge that "Any German citizen could own a gun." I asked him a simple question: "Were Jews German citizens?" It literally took WEEKS for him to answer. But I kept asking him AT LEAST twice a day. He finally replied, "No."

    You'd be wise to let the matter drop. There are people here who actually KNOW history. Don't embarrass yourself.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    But, but, but... My point is that the vast majority of burglars wouldn't even attempt it, and the ones who would, well, "I'll be wait'n."
    You don't HAVE a point because it's based on an utterly false premise.

    BURGLARS don't KNOWINGLY enter OCCUPIED dwellings.

    They ROUTINELY enter UNOCCUPIED dwellings and ROUTINELY steal firearms.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keylock View Post
    I've got contacts north of the 49th... sucks to be a cop up there. No carry off duty. Criminal element knows this and anybody with a 'puter can find out where they live. Even the military will be disarmed. Ft. Hood comes to mind, not a soldier to be found carrying.
    Seems to be the most hypocritical thing I can think of in recent memory in regards to the right of self defense.

    We train these men to defend our nation from all manner of threats, but do not trust these same men to defend themselves from a localized threat.
    "Truth is treason in an empire of lies" - Ron Paul
    Government can neither guarantee nor grant safety. The supreme affirmed as much when they stated police have no duty to protect you.

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    My usual response to such IMPOTENT threats is something on the order of:

    "Why don't you kill ME? Do you need my address? I'm your huckleberry..."

    Sniveling cowards hurling threats they haven't got the 'nads to carry out, are almost as funny as any episode of "Bob's Burgers"...
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    columnist Donald Kaul can make a terroristic threat of violence and get away with it,eh? Like the clown that waved the AR mag on TV after being told by LEOs not to do that.
    Great point. One does wonder whether the Ministy of Injustice will investigate and seek an indictiment.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Fyi:

    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    But, but, but... My point is that the vast majority of burglars wouldn't even attempt it, and the ones who would, well, "I'll be wait'n."
    THE MAJORITY OF LEFT WINGERS AND DEMOCRATS ARE, the vast majority of burglars

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammer View Post
    THE MAJORITY OF LEFT WINGERS AND DEMOCRATS ARE, the vast majority of burglars
    Good thing I don't fall under that majority, huh.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanimator View Post
    so, jews were allowed to be armed in nsdap germany?

    I'll be a nice guy and warn you up front that i've already had this conversation with a retired batf thug. He tried the dodge that "any german citizen could own a gun." i asked him a simple question: "were jews german citizens?" it literally took weeks for him to answer. But i kept asking him at least twice a day. He finally replied, "no."

    you'd be wise to let the matter drop. There are people here who actually know history. Don't embarrass yourself.
    plus one!!

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