Anyone see Alex Jones on CNN last night?

eye95 said:

I do not have contact with Jones' or Morgan's audiences, so I can influence hardly anyone who saw the broadcast. Therefore, his nuttiness is out there, undermining the rationality of the rest of the movement, will little I can do but complain about nuts out there presenting what should be a rational case.

And, that is all that I am doing, saying that Jones is not helping the case. His fringiness hurts everything he says, even when he is right.


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WalkingWolf said:

This guy is just as big of backside of a donkey~~He is anti open carry.

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eye95 said:

Stupid question.

Let's try this one more time, and then I won't explain it to you again. The nutjob may actually be right about some things (blind squirrels, and all that), however, it is their nuttiness that causes them and, by extension, us to lose credibility in the rational stuff we say.

I prefer nutjobs--like Jones--not to agree with me. I prefer it when folks with whom I agree don't praise nutjobs--like Jones--even when they get something right.

Like I said, last time, so knock off the stupid questions, unless you are trying to cut off rational discussion.

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davidmcbeth said:

Nobody is making you watch !

I was called an extremist for selling handguns to folks from chicago

I am now being called a terrorist for filing simple FOIA requests

And the FAA said "OK, thanks" when I called them in JUL 2001 about lax security at Logan airport

So lots of people with strong viewpoints are always called one name or another ...

Alex was right on at least this point: if laws are passed to ban semi-automatics then a civil war is a possibility...the question is: whose side are you going to be on .. and if you not with one side, your with the other.

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OC for ME said:

Style over substance is creeping into this discussion. Next we will be expressing our desire for Mr. Jones to be tolerant of Mr. Morgan's views, in the spirit of the 1A. Mr. Morgan's call for the repeal of the 2A notwithstanding.

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eye95 said:

WW:

Stupid question.

Let's try this one more time, and then I won't explain it to you again. The nutjob may actually be right about some things (blind squirrels, and all that), however, it is their nuttiness that causes them and, by extension, us to lose credibility in the rational stuff we say.

I prefer nutjobs--like Jones--not to agree with me. I prefer it when folks with whom I agree don't praise nutjobs--like Jones--even when they get something right.

Like I said, last time, so knock off the stupid questions, unless you are trying to cut off rational discussion.

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sharkey said:

Pondered it while driving.

I thought about a blockade on my city. How dependant we are on infrastructure, how quickly we'll run out of food, gas, electricity. How little weapons I have. How to differentiate targets among fellow citizens .. this is all hypothetical of course. I realized if you live in the city and aren't a prepper it's hopeless. I hope I'm right that this is all an academic exercise.

This assumes the thought that there is enough heavy artillery to blockade major cities and enough men to man it.

I'm lukewarm and starving in CWII just like the majority.

Good luck to you.

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Aknazer said:

Honestly it wouldn't be overly hard to blockade a major city (at least until major federal resistance showed up in the form of military-style heavy equipment and lots of it). The easiest way is to work on first shutting down the major freeways/interstates into the city. The best way to do this is going to vary by city, but once it starts happening truckers are going to be far less likely to drive the route (at least if they don't have something like a military escort). It isn't going going to take a lot of time before the city starts to fall into chaos given the lack of food. At which point the authorities have to try and control the masses inside of the city AND try to protect their supply lines...which makes it even easier to attack the supply lines since their attention is diverted inward as well. And should they start to bring in too many forces for the blockade to reasonably handle you move to a different area while looking for targets of opportunity along the way.

As we're talking asymetric warfare the chances of holding a lasting blockade are slim unless you control all the land around the city, but given the lack of food in cities I don't think you need a lasting blockade for it to be effective.

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WalkingWolf said:

[stupid question repeated demonstrating a total lack of reading of the post to which replying]

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eye95 said:

Moving on.

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eye95 said:

Hey, genius, don't you know the proper style rules for indicating the authors take on the quote? Also, if anyone wants to read the lameness that I chose not to repeat, there is a trackback link. This demonstrates why you ain't worth the effort.

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eye95 said:

SNIP

On ninja edit: *tosses WW on the worthless--er--ignore heap*

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georg jetson said:

And what a heap it's becoming.

Eye, You're gonna run outa people to talk to...

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eye95 said:

Hey, genius, don't you know the proper style rules for indicating the authors take on the quote? Also, if anyone wants to read the lameness that I chose not to repeat, there is a trackback link. This demonstrates why you ain't worth the effort.

On ninja edit: *tosses WW on the worthless--er--ignore heap*

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EMNofSeattle said:

I personally think Alex Jones needs to be committed before he leads his cult to mass suicide.


The guy does all sorts of strange theatrics, nearly every raving prediction he makes is wrong. He goes around flashing his gun on prisonplanet TV promising to "take people out" and in one show said that he looks forward to the day when CPS workers are drug out of their officer and executed on national TV.

Then he's out claiming there is a new world order of globalist banking elites trying to take away our freedom to own guns so they can oppress us (apparently the firearms corporations and the banks and insurance companies that do business with the firearms industry are not part of the globalist banking elite, or are they?)

Then he says 9/11 was an inside job (of course), just about the only conspiracy I haven't heard him spout is Freedom1man's theory of NASA destroying evidence of moon people.

The problem with all you extreme libertarians, is that you just assume that everyone else in the world is supposed to be an extreme libertarian (which will never happen) and instead of trying to convince people through selling your ideas, you go forth and say things like the School system is responsible for the sandy hook shooting becuase they shouldn't exist, that people need guns to overthrow the government, and all sorts of other strange stuff. How many people can relate to using guns to overthrow the government? virtually no one, the only time in this country since 1900 that guns have been used in that regard was an incident in 1946, and even then the goal was not to overthrow the government, but accomplish a specific objective of retrieving ballot boxes. So when you go around saying

Well I need my guns cuz I reckon them government gonna take 'em away, thomas J said we need a good re'lution every 20 yers I reckon we big overdue

Please citizen, pretend you're the average suburban american or congressional representative, who does that guy look like? someone who's a danger to themselves and others. No one knows what its like to go to war on their own streets nor do they wanna find out. It's just like when Wayne LaPierre blamed video games for the Sandy Hook shooting, well the majority of young people their first exposure to firearms will be on the screen, not the NRA safety class or firing range.When I was in high school I used that to my advantage to introduce people to the firearms culture, at the time a game called Call of Duty: World At War was popular and had a storyline following the Russian 3rd Shock Army's advance into Germany, so I used the fact that the Mosin-Nagant was featured in the game to take people to the range and shoot a very real Mosin-Nagant.

If you want people in the gun culture supporting gun rights, you need to introduce in a way they can relate to. If the average americans view of a gun owner is some lunatic from Texas raving about banking cartels and 1775 all over again then all we're going to see is more gun control.

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Citizen said:

Yeah. Gotta watch them style rules...

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KYGlockster said:

If you believe the "official" story concerning 9/11 then maybe you should open your skull and allow your brain to think for itself. It is hard to believe it when THOUSANDS of architects and engineers have ALL said that the buildings would NEVER be able to fall at FREE-FALL speeds, much less STRAIGHT down upon themselves. I suggest you do a little research into the TRUTH before you chastise someone else for believing it! Too many variables for the "official" story to even be remotely true. The "skeleton" of the buildings were demolished (even though BOTH planes hit near the top of both buildings) which would also have been impossible because jet fuel CANNOT melt the steel that was used for the main supports of the buildings.
Thousands huh? well thousands say there are moon people. virtually no peer-reviewed engineering journals have even entertained the idea, let alone endorse it.

Also, the biggest kicker is Building 7. This building didn't even sustain any real damage, yet it had such severe damage that they decided to "pull"WTC 7 was not "Pulled" "pull" in the demolition industry refers to very specific process that was not possible on WTC 7 furthermore, the only evidence you have for that hairbrained theory is the recount of a conversation between people not in the demolition business try again it. They only had several hours, but apparently that was enough time to wire the ENTIRE building for a proper demolition right? Something that normally takes weeks or months to accomplish was magically accomplished in several HOURS! What was contained in this building? I guess I will let you research that for your self. Keep in mind that it was TOO short to get hit with a plane, but the EVIDENCE that was inside HAD to be DESTROYED! Why would they need to "pull" WTC 7, if they already blew the towers there would be no reason to do that... sorry this is getting silly

How ODD is it that "training exercises" were taking place where NORAD was training for a plane attack on buildings in NYC the very morning this happened? How odd is it that NORAD was called OFF when asking to intervene? Not at all, training exercises are conducted all the time

I could go on forever, but if you believe what the government told you about 9/11 then I can't help you. They sure used it to get some insidious, unconstitutional legislation passed that completely eroded your rights if the government decides to invoke the powers granted to them in the legislation. of course unconstitutional legislation was passed, doesn't mean the US government was behind it. you're talking a false flag operation on such a scale that there's no possible way it WOULD NOT be exposed to light of the general public these years later, far too many people have to be involved, too many resources used to hide, this is a myth altogether.

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