Military ready to kill civillians who don't turn over their guns

If someone, anyone, opens fire on US soldiers/LEO/National Guard, I can just about guarantee that our US soldiers will return that fire with much more destructive weapons.

OC for ME said:

Is it possible that both are at work?

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Ah, the vagaries of the English language. In mathematics and logic, "or" automatically includes both any one being true and all being true. English is less predictable. Sometimes "or" means "pick one and only one."

I said all that to say this: Yes.


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I think the premise of this argument is whether or not the "Army" will be expected to comply with a general order to go house to house and search for then confiscate any firearms found there in. If the firearm owner puts up a fight there is no certainty that the Army will "shoot to kill" if they are faced with armed resistance. Remember, unless it is a direct order from the Commander and Chief the Army would be acting to enforce a law that they are prohibited from enforcing, except in the case of insurrection re the Posse Comitatus Act. The State Militias (Guard) and the USCG are not so encumbered by the Posse Comitatus Act.

OC for ME said:

I think the premise of this argument is whether or not the "Army" will be expected to comply with a general order to go house to house and search for then confiscate any firearms found there in. If the firearm owner puts up a fight there is no certainty that the Army will "shoot to kill" if they are faced with armed resistance. Remember, unless it is a direct order from the Commander and Chief the Army would be acting to enforce a law that they are prohibited from enforcing, except in the case of insurrection re the Posse Comitatus Act. The State Militias (Guard) and the USCG are not so encumbered by the Posse Comitatus Act.

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However it is an insurrection that I think this would stir up. Remember Iraq, remember Afghanistan, a small portion of the population kept our great and power military busy for 10 years. 300 million guns in the USA, 100 million gun owning households. If 10% of those households resist that is 10 million households.....not a pretty pictures for any governing power. Not something any military wants to contemplate. Never mind the idea of shooting ones brothers and sisters. No friends for all our sakes let us hope that this travesty does not come to pass.

beebobby said:

If someone, anyone, opens fire on US soldiers/LEO/National Guard, I can just about guarantee that our US soldiers will return that fire with much more destructive weapons.

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Since the discussion is about American civilians. And I am assuming you know this, and your choice of "someone" was done on purpose. I wonder though how you feel about them doing so.

MamabearCali said:

However it is an insurrection that I think this would stir up. Remember Iraq, remember Afghanistan, a small portion of the population kept our great and power military busy for 10 years. 300 million guns in the USA, 100 million gun owning households. If 10% of those households resist that is 10 million households.....not a pretty pictures for any governing power. Not something any military wants to contemplate. Never mind the idea of shooting ones brothers and sisters. No friends for all our sakes let us hope that this travesty does not come to pass.

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you're also talking people who live sh*tty lives with little oppurtunity for improvement, and really for most of the extremists fighting us in afghanistan, the very idea of dying and going to paradise almost seems like a bargain compared to how they live now.

We're pretty much rich and comfortable, are you going to give up your relative wealth and comfort to resist?
I don't think the majority of americans possess that inner strength to do so.

why do you think there was widespread violence in the union era and industrial revolution? becuase big business was treating the workers so bad that it was more comfortable to fight then to take it. We are very comfortable in our current society, no one will be getting violent against the government until they begin starving or can't get any health care or basic supplies, then the people will revolt and overthrow the corporations and the government and install a murderous socialist regime that be even worse. We've seen this play before, no matter how many times we watch it the ending ain't getting any better. the only hope is to reform with non-violence within the current system.

Of course for the moment we work within the system. Of course! However if they pass this monstrosity there will be varying levels of resistance. Some will just comply, many more will become quiet conciencous objectors as long as possible, some will fight down to the last man.

However, my thought is they are not trying to disarm the populous for nothing. They have something else they want to do. A criminal does not just tie up his victim for the experience of it. He does so to be able to things the victim would not otherwise allow. So those who comply will find themselves unable to stop whatever horrors await them.


I have my plan b and c. I suggest everyone else do the same.

MamabearCali said:

Of course for the moment we work within the system. Of course! However if they pass this monstrosity there will be varying levels of resistance. Some will just comply, many more will become quiet conciencous objectors as long as possible, some will fight down to the last man.

However, my thought is they are not trying to disarm the populous for nothing. They have something else they want to do. A criminal does not just tie up his victim for the experience of it. He does so to be able to things the victim would not otherwise allow. So those who comply will find themselves unable to stop whatever horrors await them.


I have my plan b and c. I suggest everyone else do the same.

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Notice his assumption of how someone else views the value of their own life, notice the total acceptance of false socialist history that unions, and government protected workers and made their lives better, and the total ignoring of the fact that socialism was running rampant through out the world, the only thing that has held it slightly at bay in U.S. was a piece of paper.

You are absolutely right about working on plan B and C, because hard times are coming. I am not so sure many of us will make it after being looted by the government.

OC for ME said:

Remember, unless it is a direct order from the Commander and Chief the Army would be acting to enforce a law that they are prohibited from enforcing, except in the case of insurrection

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How about using the army to foment insurrection (by illegally enforcing laws Posse Commitatus prohibits them from enforcing), then using the army to crush the insurrection under the exemption in Posse Commitatus, and hope everybody forgets that the insurrection started because of the original illegal use of the army? Bonus points for using the insurrection to push through Congress total civilian firearms bans and other freedom-destroying measures.