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    Gun Owners Warn Gun Laws could Increase Crime

    As Congress prepares to debate new bills aimed at curbing gun violence, many gun owners fear Washington regulations will actually limit their ability to stop crime.

    "The best empirical research on the matter finds that, where gun ownership levels are highest, in fact, homicide rates are far lower," said University of Texas at Dallas criminologist Tomislav Kovandzic.
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    Something else that I found interesting in the article is that they actually call AR and AK rounds "low powered" for once.
    ...Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., proposes banning military-style assault weapons, though more than 5 million AK-47s and AR-15s are already in circulation, and the low-caliber rounds they fire are less deadly than those in many handguns...
    It's still a bit misleading, but it seems that at least some reporters out there are starting to learn.

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    from the above article: "There is no evidence to support the argument that arming good guys is a good idea. We studied scores of these shootings and in the last 30 years, not a single shooting has been stopped by an armed citizen. Conversely, there's evidence it is a bad idea."

    these people claiming the above obviously don't have their heads on straight. of course it's difficult to collect evidence on this matter, because if a shooting is stopped by an armed citizen then there is no shooting to raise attention and be studied!!! the only massacres that have occurred are ones where armed citizens were not present to stop them!!!
    for example: a shooter tried to mass murder in a mall, and was unsuccessful due to a 22 year old male citizen being armed. the shooter killed only 1 or 2 people, then when the citizen pulled a gun on the shooter, the shooter ended his own life, and the citizen never even had to pull the trigger. but guess what, this wasn't included in this study, because there was no massacre; BECAUSE IT WAS STOPPED BEFORE IT COULD BECOME A MASSACRE, BY AN ARMED CITIZEN!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    from the above article: "There is no evidence to support the argument that arming good guys is a good idea. We studied scores of these shootings and in the last 30 years, not a single shooting has been stopped by an armed citizen. Conversely, there's evidence it is a bad idea."

    these people claiming the above obviously don't have their heads on straight. of course it's difficult to collect evidence on this matter, because if a shooting is stopped by an armed citizen then there is no shooting to raise attention and be studied!!! the only massacres that have occurred are ones where armed citizens were not present to stop them!!!
    for example: a shooter tried to mass murder in a mall, and was unsuccessful due to a 22 year old male citizen being armed. the shooter killed only 1 or 2 people, then when the citizen pulled a gun on the shooter, the shooter ended his own life, and the citizen never even had to pull the trigger. but guess what, this wasn't included in this study, because there was no massacre; BECAUSE IT WAS STOPPED BEFORE IT COULD BECOME A MASSACRE, BY AN ARMED CITIZEN!!
    The article actually addresses that like one or two paragraphs below your quoted part:

    ...Other examples, however, show armed citizens and off-duty or former law enforcement can make a difference. In 2008 in Nevada, after shooting three people, a gunman was killed by a bar patron with a right-to-carry permit. In Colorado Springs in 2007, after shooting five people at New Life Church, a gunman was stopped by a former cop and church volunteer carrying her own weapon...
    The first "study" appears to simply exclude any cases that could otherwise disprove their "conclusion" as they simply molded their data to fit their pre-determined end.

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    ^yup^ lol

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