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    A few months ago I would have dismissed him as a Fudd. No more!

    That was a wonderful job of cherry-picking stats and twisting them to show that gun owners are lined up, asking to have laws passed that will make it imposible for them to bring a firearm and a single piece of ammunition withing two counties of each other - since that would not in any way look like confiscation.

    I'm about ready to propose that "reasonable gun control" be defined as keeping everything within the 8-ring.

    stay safe.
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    Gerry Connolly's response

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post

    I'm about ready to propose that "reasonable gun control" be defined as keeping everything within the 8-ring.

    stay safe.
    Or a good holster!
    ...To make my bullets go faster!

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    Gerry Connolly is a known statist and anti-gunner. Including a few years ago when he was chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, so its no surprise he twists things rather than come right out and support the 2A.

    The main point is to let him know, briefly, where you stand. He's a slimy weasel--if it looks politically dangerous, he won't do it. The point is to make your opinion heard. If he gets enough "no's", he won't do it. His district is pretty heavy on the bleeding hearts and nervous-nellies, so maybe he only gets ten "no's". The problem is we just don't know, and its better to tell him "no" and add to the opposition, than sit around and do nothing.

    The fact that he's weaseling now might indicate he's getting enough "no's" to make him nervous. And, since the Chief Thief came out yesterday with a reduced plan, Connolly is probably aligned on that.*




    *Whatever happened to separation of powers? When the thieves in congress align very quickly--within one day--with the Chief Thief's game plan, you gotta figure there was coordination. I'm betting it was coordinated even before yesterday. Which also means that, since Biden still hasn't presented his "suggestions", Biden is a red-herring to gather support and mislead the pro-gunners.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    I'm growing increasingly tired of the B.S. lines that include phrases like "consensus" and "common sense" with regard to our 2A rights. First and foremost, our framers set our govt up as a constitutional republic to protect our individual rights from the consensus of the majority. Rights are not subject to consensus. And to use the term "common sense gun safety measures" while touting his drivel only serves to insult those that oppose his opinion by inferring that our position is based on a lack of thought or insight. There is no other group of people that has a better understanding of our inalienable rights than we do. It's something that is constantly rattling around in our head, especially now. We think about it while we work, play, shower, or sitting on the porcelain throne. Take those that choose to carry a sidearm during their day to day routine. We didn't come by this decision lightly. One could use this very forum as a basis for this argument. We research laws, go over scenarios in our heads and in actual training, make sure we have the proper gear so that we are as safe as possible etc.... We want to make sure that we are prepared for anything, so that should the unfortunate need arise we are able to ensure that we and our loved ones live to see another day. We understand the responsibility that comes with exercising or 2A rights, and I've never known another group of people that I can say the same for, aside from our military of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Jack View Post
    I'm growing increasingly tired of the B.S. lines that include phrases like "consensus" and "common sense" with regard to our 2A rights. First and foremost, our framers set our govt up as a constitutional republic to protect our individual rights from the consensus of the majority. Rights are not subject to consensus. And to use the term "common sense gun safety measures" while touting his drivel only serves to insult those that oppose his opinion by inferring that our position is based on a lack of thought or insight. There is no other group of people that has a better understanding of our inalienable rights than we do. It's something that is constantly rattling around in our head, especially now. We think about it while we work, play, shower, or sitting on the porcelain throne. Take those that choose to carry a sidearm during their day to day routine. We didn't come by this decision lightly. One could use this very forum as a basis for this argument. We research laws, go over scenarios in our heads and in actual training, make sure we have the proper gear so that we are as safe as possible etc.... We want to make sure that we are prepared for anything, so that should the unfortunate need arise we are able to ensure that we and our loved ones live to see another day. We understand the responsibility that comes with exercising or 2A rights, and I've never known another group of people that I can say the same for, aside from our military of course.
    +1

    In addition to being mad about it, take note of it from a political science point of view. And, realize the only way government can get away with this is because the general public doesn't know enough about rights to deeply appreciate them and stand fast on all of them, much less actually move the ball toward more rights. Except the issues du jour, that is; like abortion and gay marriage.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Responce from Congressman Gerald E. Connolly

    Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition to certain gun safety proposals, particularly banning "assault weapons" and "large" ammunition magazines. I appreciate your taking the time to share your views with me, and I appreciate the feedback I have received from constituents throughout the 11th District addressing the regulation of firearms and upholding Second Amendment rights. As you can imagine, a large community such as ours boasts a broad and diverse set of views on gun regulation, ranging from individuals who accuse me of doing too little for not favoring an outright ban on all firearms, to individuals who accuse me of doing too much for not favoring the absolute abolishment of all firearm laws and regulations, to everything in between.



    Our community's wide range of opinions and perspectives on gun policy has enabled me to hear firsthand from constituents and gain an understanding of the varying policy preferences in our District. I have worked hard to avoid rigid dogma while considering various legislative proposals, and I am committed to striking a reasonable balance that protects the right of law-abiding citizens to possess firearms, without hampering public safety or law enforcement capabilities to solve violent crimes. To be absolutely clear, I have sworn to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and I believe the U.S. Constitution protects the right of Americans' to keep and bear arms.



    I am committed to protecting and upholding the sacred Second Amendment rights that millions of law-abiding, gun-owning Americans hold dear, a group that includes many of my Republican and Democratic friends and colleagues in Congress, members of my staff, and thousands of our neighbors in the 11th District. In fact, I believe my former colleague, the Honorable Gabby Giffords of Arizona, and her husband, Mark Kelly, eloquently captured the views of many who might fall under the "sensible center" with respect to gun safety laws:



    Forget the boogeyman of big, bad government coming to dispossess you of your firearms. As a Western woman and a Persian Gulf War combat veteran who have exercised our Second Amendment rights, we don't want to take away your guns any more than we want to give up the two guns we have locked in a safe at home. What we do want is what the majority of NRA members and other Americans want: responsible changes in our laws to require responsible gun ownership and reduce gun violence.



    On that note, I am hopeful that moving forward, our community can find common ground to advance reasonable policies that protect gun rights and improve gun safety, and which would carry the support of all Americans, including law-abiding, card-carrying members of the National Rifle Association (NRA).



    I actually was surprised to learn that the prominent Republican strategist and pollster Frank Luntz conducted a poll that found NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support common-sense gun safety measures. According to the results of the Luntz survey, I actually share many of the views held by rank and file NRA members and non-NRA gun owners. For example:



    87 percent of NRA members agree that support for Second Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals;

    74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun;

    79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry;

    NRA members strongly support allowing States not the Federal Government to set basic eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed, loaded guns in public places, with 91 percent of NRA members stating States should decide;

    75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault;

    74 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training;

    68 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence;

    63 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older;

    71 percent of NRA members support barring people on terror watch lists from buying guns;

    64 percent of NRA members believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to lost and stolen guns; and

    69 percent of NRA members believe there should be no restrictions on law enforcement use of criminal gun trace data to conduct criminal investigations and dismantle illegal gun trafficking networks.

    I am inclined to agree with Mr. Luntz's conclusion. He said, "I don't think the NRA is listening. I don't think they understand most Americans would protect the Second Amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun, not every gun should be available at anytime, anywhere, for anyone."



    A more recent poll of Virginia voters by Quinnipiac University showed 58 of Virginians support banning the sale of assault-style weapons and 59 percent support banning the sale of large or high-capacity ammunition magazines. I share the assessment of retired four-star General Stanley McChrystal that there is no need for military-style assault rifles in our communities, particularly our schools. I believe the General's comments on gun safety are worth considering:



    "I spent a career carrying typically either a M16, and later a M4 carbine. And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. That's what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.



    I believe that we've got to take a serious look I understand everybody's desire to have whatever they want but we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that. I think we have to look at the situation in America. The number of people killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations. I don't think we're a bloodthirsty culture, and we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people."



    The Quinnipiac poll also found 66 percent of Virginians oppose efforts to allow educators to carry concealed weapons in our schools. I strongly believe that the Second Amendment ensures that law-abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms, but I agree that guns do not belong in schools. In fact, I was pleased to hear the statement of New Jersey's Republican Governor, Chris Christie, who when asked about the National Rifle Association's proposal to place armed guards in every school, stated "You don't want to make this an armed camp for kids, I don't think that's a positive example for children. We should be able to figure out other ways to enhance safety."



    I recognize that just as there are millions of law-abiding Americans who exercise their right under the First Amendment to enjoy violent movies or video games without ever committing a violent crime, there are also millions of law-abiding Americans who exercise their right under the Second Amendment to enjoy owning a firearm without ever committing a violent crime.



    Further, I believe that just as our Nation accepts that we can uphold our First Amendment rights, while simultaneously implementing reasonable regulations of artistic expression, such as implementing age-restrictions for certain movies or video games, we can uphold our sacred Second Amendment rights, while simultaneously implementing reasonable regulations to improve the safety of gun ownership in America, many of which are listed above.



    In addition, another critical issue that the mainstream media has failed to devote enough attention to is the fact that the vast majority I believe nearly 100 percent of firearms dealers are law-abiding, dedicated businessmen who follow the law and do everything they can to prevent sales of firearms to criminals.

    Unfortunately, the admirable practices of legal firearms dealers in the United States has not received proper recognition, an oversight that also explains why the media has failed to understand that efforts to close "the gun show loophole" are not aimed at preventing the sale of firearms outright, but meant to level the playing field for licensed firearm dealers and protect legitimate gun dealers from being undercut by unscrupulous gun show sellers who do not exercise the same level of caution or care. The public seems to understand this common-sense reform, and the recent Quinnipiac poll shows 92 percent of Virginians favor requiring background checks for purchases at gun shows.



    Surely as a Nation we can find a way to require major gun show dealers to follow the same laws and regulations that apply to brick and mortar dealers, while protecting family members who wish to sell firearms to each other, or pass along family heirlooms, from onerous regulation. Unfortunately, it appears that interest groups and firearms manufacturers are doing everything they can to transform what should be a thoughtful, civil conversation into a polarizing debate.



    I have been accused of trying to dismantle the Second Amendment for simply asking whether high-powered, military-style semi-automatic firearms with large-capacity magazines which were used in the D.C. sniper murders, the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, and the mass shootings in Aurora and Newtown should be readily available to the general public. Or for wondering whether the Second Amendment applies to weapons such as the FIM-92 Stinger missile launcher, a personal portable infrared homing surface-to-air missile platform capable of downing commercial aircraft.



    Clearly such weapons are not intended for traditional hunting, and it is debatable whether they are the most effective firearms for use in home or self-defense. Even avowed conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, in an interview on Fox News, recognized that certain gun safety measures are constitutional, and it is a shame that attempting to initiate a discussion with respect to making gun ownership safer for all Americans guarantees that one will be branded as an enemy of the Second Amendment by special interests.



    I also believe that we need to strengthen mental health support across the Nation. We must strengthen State record sharing resources and requirements to bolster the National Instant Background Check System (NICS). This need was tragically exposed by the Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho and the Tucson shooter Jared Loughner, individuals who only passed background checks because disqualifying information about mental illness and criminal drug abuse were not entered into the NICS due to lax record sharing compliance by States.



    Once again, thank you for sharing your views on firearms regulation and the Second Amendment. Even though we may have differences of opinion in regard to certain aspects of gun laws and regulation, I hope it is clear that I do not approach this issue lightly, and I genuinely desire to reach consensus on commonsense gun safety measures that reflect the popular will of the 11th District. I believe the Luntz survey provides an excellent framework for moving forward, presenting promising policy proposals that carry broad support among gun-owners and non-gun owners alike. For more information on my views on other issues, please feel free to visit my website at http://connolly.house.gov. I also encourage you to visit the website to sign up for my e-newsletter.

    Sincerely,

    Gerald E. Connolly
    Member of Congress
    11th District, Virginia

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    Re: Responce from Congressman Gerald E. Connolly

    .223 does a lot of damage, I agree with this. So does every other caliber. Are we going to ban those too?

    I don't get what the big deal is over people carrying in school. Just imagine how many guns they are around when they are in public concealed.

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    Do we really need two threads on this?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe13 View Post
    Do we really need two threads on this?!?
    Good point.

    Two is inadequate; I'll start a third.

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    Connolly

    I try like heck to get him out of office every election. I possible dislike him more than warner at thus point.

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    Long winded gasbag

    Translation for that long pile of dreck:

    "Go pound sand you gun toting freaks!"

    Sincerely,

    Gerald E. Connolly
    Member of Congress
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    Blowing Smoke

    Sounds like a gun ban, gun registry and gun control with no such thing as private sales.
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    +1

    In addition to being mad about it, take note of it from a political science point of view. And, realize the only way government can get away with this is because the general public doesn't know enough about rights to deeply appreciate them and stand fast on all of them, much less actually move the ball toward more rights. Except the issues du jour, that is; like abortion and gay marriage.
    +1 as well

    Watching updates on Obummers speach. We can add "comprehensive" to that list of words libs use that really pisses me off. Comprehensive my happy a**!! There's nothing comprehensive about it! What a sorry sack of monkey nuts!!

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