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    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...214040530.html

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is signing a tough and sweeping new gun control bill into law late Tuesday.

    The bill limits magazines to seven bullets; increases penalties for gun crimes; gives the state more power to take away guns from mentally ill people; and bans semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have a "military-style feature," such as a bayonet lug. The ban goes into effect immediately. People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state.

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    Seriously, what does decreasing the mag capacity from 10 to 7 do? Flawed logic!
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    It's Zoo York, what can I say?

    but I'm sure the gangs will conduct an audit to make sure that their arsenals are in full compliance with the new laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MainelyGlock View Post
    Seriously, what does decreasing the mag capacity from 10 to 7 do? Flawed logic!
    Many, many magazine fed firearms do not under 10 rd. magazines available. Ruger 10/22 for one, who knows how many pistols.

    Thousands of guns will be rendered useless.


    Compliance is NOT an option for New Yorkers.

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    I wonder why I never felt the desire to move back to my native NY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...214040530.html

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is signing a tough and sweeping new gun control bill into law late Tuesday.

    The bill limits magazines to seven bullets; increases penalties for gun crimes; gives the state more power to take away guns from mentally ill people; and bans semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have a "military-style feature," such as a bayonet lug. The ban goes into effect immediately. People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state.
    Again my question is who and how are they gonna decide who is and isn't mentally ill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    <snip> People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state.
    And how exactly would the state know that you have a unregistered gun? I hope that this is not a rhetorical1 question.

    1Form 4473 perhaps?
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    The state should not have access to FFL records, but some states long ago became unconcerned with rules. I noted on another thread that WalMart and other retailers have been working with some idiotic governors coalition to maintain electronic gun purchase records. Now that is an abuse I do not care to support. And now that the 4473 is electronic, I wonder if batfe is harvesting and storing the information, in violation of FOPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by MainelyGlock View Post
    Seriously, what does decreasing the mag capacity from 10 to 7 do? Flawed logic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYKevin View Post
    Again my question is who and how are they gonna decide who is and isn't mentally ill?
    I'm sure a psychiatrist is going to decide whether an individual is mentally ill, or not.

    They are likely going to make the determination through a number of psychiatric sessions.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I'm not sure the people I want defining sanity are the same people that think my Savage 64 is an assault weapon.

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    Most laws that are passed never have logic behind them. So this does not surprise me as the people for it have no understanding of logic in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWCook View Post
    Most laws that are passed never have logic behind them. So this does not surprise me as the people for it have no understanding of logic in the first place.
    Please, don't take the easy way out. Your enemy is more cunning than you think; they know exactly what they are doing.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Please, don't take the easy way out. Your enemy is more cunning than you think; they know exactly what they are doing.

    First thing you have said that I agree with. If you want to know what is happening look at history, look at history. There is a reason they are doing what they are doing. America is exceptional because we have been exceptionally free. I am sick and heartbroken at the evil these people intend for our nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MainelyGlock View Post
    Seriously, what does decreasing the mag capacity from 10 to 7 do? Flawed logic!
    No, it's perfect logic for gun grabbers. Think about it, just how many guns out there have less than 10 rounds? Also just think, it bans ALL of the current 10rd mags that are designed to comply with the current law. That is a ton of potential money for people buying new mags, and it will potentially cut down on mags that LACs have since a bunch likely won't replace all of their mags with new ones (and hell, some might even decide to get rid of their gun).

    This is assuming that there isn't a grandfather clause, which I fully expect there to not be.

    EDIT: Oh so old ones will be grandfathered, but have to be registered. So they would still get registration and the money from people buying the new mags. And I wouldn't be surprised if some people still decided to get rid of the guns/mags rather than dealing with the hassle of registering them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MainelyGlock View Post
    Seriously, what does decreasing the mag capacity from 10 to 7 do? Flawed logic!
    I guess it means you have to bring three or more guns with you if you try something.

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    As for the 7-round capacity limit, maybe they want people to move up to a .45?
    IIRC, Glock has a compact .45 that holds 6+1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady
    I'm sure a psychiatrist is going to decide whether an individual is mentally ill, or not.
    They are likely going to make the determination through a number of psychiatric sessions.
    Which I'm sure will have to be paid for by the LAC wishing to exercise her rights.
    Wish we could have similar tests for people to vote, or speak in public, or hold office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasjayhawk View Post
    I'm not sure the people I want defining sanity are the same people that think my Savage 64 is an assault weapon.

    Just saying.



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    Is there a reason we're reliving the 1980s German peacenik movement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Is there a reason we're reliving the 1980s German peacenik movement?
    Well, the song is about a government overreacting to something and starting a war. Just replace 99 luftballons with 99 round magazines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    Many, many magazine fed firearms do not under 10 rd. magazines available. Ruger 10/22 for one, who knows how many pistols.
    Five Round

    Single Round


    California regularly turns 30 round AR magazines into functioning 10 round magazines. I don't see why you cannot do this with most magazines by either changing the body of the magazine or the follower. Anyone should be able to do it in less than 10 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Five Round

    Single Round


    California regularly turns 30 round AR magazines into functioning 10 round magazines. I don't see why you cannot do this with most magazines by either changing the body of the magazine or the follower. Anyone should be able to do it in less than 10 minutes.
    wow single shot 10-22! ill keep my 25rd and 10rd mags

    never knew the bothered to make single shotters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I'm sure a psychiatrist is going to decide whether an individual is mentally ill, or not.

    They are likely going to make the determination through a number of psychiatric sessions.
    It is not the "examination" that is troubling, what is troubling is who gets to decide that you need to be examined.

    Then there is the issue of a citizen refusing to be examined. A citizen's refusal will be justification for the forced comitment of a citizen. I believe it has happened before, in Virginia perhaps. Does forced comitment occur? Yes. Forced comitment prior to a examination being conducted that would have determined whether or not a citizen warranted comitment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I'm sure a psychiatrist is going to decide whether an individual is mentally ill, or not.

    They are likely going to make the determination through a number of psychiatric sessions.
    And would this be one employed by the government or one employed by the individual seeking therapy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    It is not the "examination" that is troubling, what is troubling is who gets to decide that you need to be examined.

    Then there is the issue of a citizen refusing to be examined. A citizen's refusal will be justification for the forced comitment of a citizen. I believe it has happened before, in Virginia perhaps. Does forced comitment occur? Yes. Forced comitment prior to a examination being conducted that would have determined whether or not a citizen warranted comitment.
    This is what I am talking about. They can decide or find any reason to declare someone mentally ill for a varied amount of reasons.
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