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    Gun Rally...

    I was very angry about this.... but this is my 4th edit of the message to make it less confrontational... but I'll just have to say it

    The Guest speakers need to be kept in line and on topic. there was at least 6 issues discussed that had NOTHING to do with the second amendment by guest speakers, and by guest speakers I mean Clint Didier. I'll say this, I would much rather that SVG or someone like that took Didier's spot.

    Dave Workman and Rapgood were great! they did well and I enjoyed listening to them! but they kept their speeches ON topic... and factual. Hadian and Didier only served to alienate many people who would otherwise by sympathetic. especially since people were asking rifles be unloaded with no mag, even though that does nothing to improve our image, whereas a very controllable step to take, would've been to better screen the guest speakers. God, unions, committees of safety, doomsday prepping, being ready to overthrow the government, etc were not germane to the issue at hand.
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    Sounds like it went from 0 to Tin Foil Hat in 2 seconds. I wish I was there to see it.

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    Yes. In full agreement. Did Didier sound that unhinged during his campaign?

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    100% agree. My girlfriend was embarrassed about it, and many of the people standing around us looked disappointed/disgusted/embarrased, or were laughing at him. Did not help our cause. As I stated in another thread here, the religious aspect could have been toned down. If the word "god" was replaced with founding fathers, and "god-given" was replaced with natural, then it would have been more pleasing all-around, I think.

    We did have some good speakers. Some of the more "professional" speakers did a great job. I dont know names, but the 2nd (a woman), and everyone I saw after Didler did a pretty good job.

    The "surprise" girl who came in and asked who is gonna be a pussypants made me chuckle
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    did I like everything I saw at the rally? NO

    did I like everything I heard at the rally? NO

    Overall though the rally was a success and we got some great publicity out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    did I like everything I saw at the rally? NO

    did I like everything I heard at the rally? NO

    Overall though the rally was a success and we got some great publicity out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    did I like everything I saw at the rally? NO

    did I like everything I heard at the rally? NO

    Overall though the rally was a success and we got some great publicity out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I was very angry about this.... but this is my 4th edit of the message to make it less confrontational... but I'll just have to say it

    The Guest speakers need to be kept in line and on topic. there was at least 6 issues discussed that had NOTHING to do with the second amendment by guest speakers, and by guest speakers I mean Clint Didier. I'll say this, I would much rather that SVG or someone like that took Didier's spot.

    Dave Workman and Rapgood were great! they did well and I enjoyed listening to them! but they kept their speeches ON topic... and factual. Hadian and Didier only served to alienate many people who would otherwise by sympathetic. especially since people were asking rifles be unloaded with no mag, even though that does nothing to improve our image, whereas a very controllable step to take, would've been to better screen the guest speakers. God, unions, committees of safety, doomsday prepping, being ready to overthrow the government, etc were not germane to the issue at hand.
    Rapgood was a good speaker for sure.

    I had mostly tuned out after some of the crazy stuff and almost missed Rapgood speak.

    Hell, I know a speaker if I could ever get him to show up. Very pro-gun, not a tin foil hat guy, and speaks clearly.

    Otherwise I would have been a better speaker than a couple of them, true. SVG does better with the public than I do, so if he would refuse to speak I would do it instead.
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    I agree that I saw and heard some things that I did not like but at the same time I had to put things in perspective... We can't support the second amendment without supporting the first amendment as well right? By the way, was nice meeting a few of you face to face. Happy I could attend this event.

    PS. Did anybody by chance record all the speakers? If so, I'd like a copy so I can see and hear some of the stuff that I missed due to various distractions =|
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    Gun Rally...

    Yes I have someone who recorded them all. He should have a link for me tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theaero View Post
    As I stated in another thread here, the religious aspect could have been toned down. If the word "god" was replaced with founding fathers, and "god-given" was replaced with natural, then it would have been more pleasing all-around, I think.
    The "Founding Father's" you so revere would be embarrassed by your response. They never desired to be held up as gods or idols. They were just men. Were they both too brilliant to be mere mortals but also too stupid to be listened to? So brilliant that they challenged God's position in your little heavens and too stupid to be heard as they submitted themselves directly to God's care...

    "We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Close of the Declaration
    The "Iranian" guy was speaking directly to folks like you. The issue with America is not a lack of political virtue, it's the Godless society we live in today. He quoted one of the founders you revere so...

    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
    And another...

    "Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, They may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies." John Adams
    Godless people. Why else would these young men feel so free to execute children? They are taught in school and in the media that there are no eternal consequences, so why not hurt people on your way out? It won't matter if there's no God...


    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    God, unions, committees of safety, doomsday prepping, being ready to overthrow the government, etc were not germane to the issue at hand.
    You sure about that?

    I addressed the God aspect above.
    Unions? Like they have been good for our nation? Questionable at best.
    Committees of Safety? The "Founders" embraced them and these men bought your squandered Freedom through their use. I personally support the concept and actions of folks involved in these sorts of activities. If you would read about the actions of the Committees of Safety and Correspondence and their role in bringing down British rule, you might see the need today.
    Prepping? What's wrong with having some food set aside for the day you need it? Fred Meyer might not always be there. Bad things happen. Heck, you might lose your job and need to eat for a few months.
    Overthrowing the government? Have you read the Constitution? Ever? Try comparing the text and the Framer's intents to the actions of those in power today. We have the forms of that government but none of the function. If you can be honest, you will find the overthrow has already occurred... And we didn't do it.
    So, germane? Perhaps not directly Second Amendment related, but important nonetheless.

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    The rally was very exciting!

    We got 14 people all the way from the Tri Cities to Oly in plenty of time for the rally. I was in no way disappointed. The folks that spoke were human, with human flaws, but they were sincere and spoke powerfully to those who could look beyond the externals of their performance into their message. This was more important than some media event, this was a clarion call to action. Stand up and be counted or lose your Freedoms that remain.

    We all got the mandatory "I was armed at the Capitol!" pictures and spoke to many excellent people.

    The lack of a counter protest was surprising to me. Heck Evergreen isn't very far away...

    Regardless, many Drysider thanks to Jim and the other folks who did the deed and made the event happen. Cudos!
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    Good first Rally

    Hello, I have been a registered lurker here for a while. I found out about the rally on this forum. My cousin and I decided to attend. Gotta say it was pretty enjoyable over all. I liked seeing everyone armed, also saw some great creative signs. Thanks to the people who helped organize this event. I will hopefully be able to attend future events, I hope next time we can fill the whole area. Pretty good turn out though. Have a good one all, and keep oc`ing.

    p.s. Anyone have a used ham radio for sale? Preferably already buried, I don`t want to dig a hole, its too cold. lol jk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    The "Founding Father's" you so revere would be embarrassed by your response. They never desired to be held up as gods or idols. They were just men. Were they both too brilliant to be mere mortals but also too stupid to be listened to? So brilliant that they challenged God's position in your little heavens and too stupid to be heard as they submitted themselves directly to God's care...
    I found this to be a very rude post. I'm not quite sure what I said to be attacked like this, but the issue we fought for dealt today had nothing to do with religion. The first speaker kept referring to how we have these rights because of God. God gave us these rights. Etc. I do not think that is beneficial to our cause. Not all (and judging by the reactions of those around me), not many people seemed to think the first speech was appropriate, or fitting to the situation. It is my personal opinion that being able to defend yourself is a natural, instinctual right. I would go as far to say that most of the people at the rally today would agree with this.

    My post simply said that it would pleasing all-around to leave religion out of it. Not every American is religious, but every American has rights that the constitution and bill of rights grant us. How do all the non-religious people feel when they show up to fight to protect their 2A, and are fed speechs about how a god they do not believe in are the reason we should have these rights. It's conflicting, and it dissects us into two different groups. The religious 2A, and the not-religious 2A. But aren't we supposed to be united together and fighting against the tyrannical government that is trying to take our rights away? If we have the same end game, then wouldn't it be better to leave out the factor that divides us? (In this case, religion).



    Godless people. Why else would these young men feel so free to execute children? They are taught in school and in the media that there are no eternal consequences, so why not hurt people on your way out? It won't matter if there's no God...
    I, and most of the people I associate with on a daily basis, and for that matter, most of the people I know are not religious. Yet, they are respectful, mature, hard working, and responsible. Strange, that all these people, including gun owners, military, mothers, teachers, friends, etc don't go out and execute people. I mean, they are "godless" afterall, so you'd think they'd be shooting up preschools and retirement homes nonstop. In fact, in my own personal experience, these people are typically more respectful, open-minded, and responsible than many of the god-fearing people I have run into.

    In short, there's more to life than guns.
    Yes, but today was about guns, and for me, there was no more to today than guns. The 2A rally was my #1 priority.

    That being said, I personally use my guns to preserve life, and the life of those in my proximity. There may be more to life than guns, but there could be no life whatsoever without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle
    The Guest speakers need to be kept in line and on topic. there was at least 6 issues discussed that had NOTHING to do with the second amendment by guest speakers, and by guest speakers I mean Clint Didier.
    Quote Originally Posted by deanf
    Yes. In full agreement. Did Didier sound that unhinged during his campaign?
    yeah he was a bit off the rails with that speech. what a way to lose a crowd. there's a time and place for that message, this wasn't it. i had to walk away for a bit.

    and the last guy (in the yellow coat?), what was he rambling on about? i left in the middle of that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I was very angry about this.... but this is my 4th edit of the message to make it less confrontational... but I'll just have to say it

    The Guest speakers need to be kept in line and on topic. there was at least 6 issues discussed that had NOTHING to do with the second amendment by guest speakers, and by guest speakers I mean Clint Didier. I'll say this, I would much rather that SVG or someone like that took Didier's spot.

    Dave Workman and Rapgood were great! they did well and I enjoyed listening to them! but they kept their speeches ON topic... and factual. Hadian and Didier only served to alienate many people who would otherwise by sympathetic. especially since people were asking rifles be unloaded with no mag, even though that does nothing to improve our image, whereas a very controllable step to take, would've been to better screen the guest speakers. God, unions, committees of safety, doomsday prepping, being ready to overthrow the government, etc were not germane to the issue at hand.
    If you had to edit 4 times, maybe you shouldn't have posted at all.

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    Hey Freedom, speaking as a "godless" gun owner, I have to say that raising my children to know right from wrong is not a hard thing to do without religion. Don't confuse the need for religion with the ability to act in a moral way.

    The preacher did his preaching, which was all well and good because that's what he does. I didn't agree with it since that philosophy doesn't mesh with mine, but to each his own. Not sure if you are a preacher or not, but the statement "Godless people. Why else would these young men feel so free to execute children? They are taught in school and in the media that there are no eternal consequences, so why not hurt people on your way out? It won't matter if there's no God..." is a bit over the top. How about mental issues and lack of parenting as root causes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    did I like everything I saw at the rally? NO

    did I like everything I heard at the rally? NO

    Overall though the rally was a success and we got some great publicity out of it.
    I would agree with that Bill, what I was complaining about was a guest speaker who needed to be vetted before allowed a microphone. Im glad I went and the rally itself went well, but Didier was out of hand and I felt someone needed to say it
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    I had a blast and thought it was a positive peaceful protest. If there were 10,000 people parking would be a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divedog View Post
    I had a blast and thought it was a positive peaceful protest. If there were 10,000 people parking would be a nightmare.
    Is there not another one on the 8th of Feb?
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    Unfortunately we did not get "good " coverage. Northwest Cable News had a sound bite from Hadan and a bit about some priest feeling sorry for us.

    http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington/...187594431.html

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    I am going to make some general statements here some of which will be aimed at you two but not all.

    It appears to me that all you want to hear is what pleases you, what you are comfortable with, what you want to hear and it simply does not matter to you what others want, think or need.

    ENM you got so angry about what someone said in a speech at a rally that you had to rewrite your comments on a blog several times to try not to offend people, really!!!! maybe you need to reexamine why you got angry? Listening to the thoughts of others even those that you do not agree with can be a great learning experience unless of course you dismiss everyone out of hand that you disagree with as you seem to be doing in this post. You say there were six issues that were off topic, I did not know that you were the individual that decided what was on topic and what was not for this rally.

    Didier got the loudest and most positive response from the crowd, people were cheering and got fired up during Didier's speech. I fully understand that some people in the crowd may have not liked some or all of what he had to say, that is simply how it is with any thing you can not please all the people all the time.

    Theaero You say that the religious stuff is dividing us into two camps because the non religious folks do not appreciate the religious references and then you turn around and say the non-religious people are, and I quote " these people are typically more respectful, open-minded, and responsible than many of the god-fearing people I have run into. ". So based on what you wrote I have to ask you which is it; "respectful and open minded" or upset with the religious stuff?

    Theaero you said that you and others did not like "The first speaker kept referring to how we have these rights because of God. God gave us these rights." etc. In the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence the founding fathers referred to "Natures God" and also said "rights are endowed by their creator" So referencing a generic God, God given rights etc in the first speech is entirely appropriate, on topic and factually correct IMHO.

    BTW I am not a very religious person but I respect that others are, just to be clear on that subject.

    Freedom First - Great job getting people there, we also had about 15 people that made the trip from Spokane and several that came from Vancouver and B'ham. Kudos to those that took the time and spent the money to attend from great distances.

    Bill Starks said it right when he said

    " did I like everything I saw at the rally? NO

    did I like everything I heard at the rally? NO

    Overall though the rally was a success and we got some great publicity out of it."

    Believe it or not, cause its hard to tell from some of the posts here and on other threads, the point of the rally was to come together in mass to show our opposition to any more limitations on our rights; not to entertain you, not to please everyone, not to show off our rifles or pistols, not to show off how bad we are, not to show the organizers & WSP "I will carry a rifle, bolt closed, mag inserted, slung anyway I like cause you cant stop me". The topic of our conversation today should be to look at what we accomplished, look at how well we did, man did we make a positive statement yesterday; not I did not like what a speaker had to say.

    I would also remind you that this was free for you to attend, the speakers were not paid.

    I know this is hard for some of you so I will type real slow for you. Diverse speakers will draw a diverse crowd and a diverse crowd means more people, more people gets noticed by the people that make our laws and have an effect on how they will vote for those laws that affect our rights. Trust me when I say the organizers were not taking any one individual's feelings, likes, dislikes, religious preferences into consideration when they organized this. What they were thinking was how do we get some speakers that will appeal to the most people to encourage them to come so that we can make the largest impression possible.

    Several people worked very hard to put this event on, spent their own cash. Jim Beal, Bill Starks, Squeak and several others deserve a 'thank you' rather than 'I did not like this speaker or that speaker'. It takes a lot of work to put on one of these events. Most of that work you will never see or know about.

    I will say it, Thanks Jim, Bill, Squeak and everyone else that came together one more time, at the last minute, to pull this off. Thank you speakers, even the ones I did not care for, for taking the time to come and support ALL of us. I apologize to the speakers, I am so sorry that some of us do not appreciate your efforts, your right to speak freely or your support for our rights.

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    Of course I want to hear what pleases me, the second amendment and our constitutional rights please me greatly...

    I think you missed the entire gist of the post. I am Christian. I am religious, I think that we don't need to use god as a political prop at a rally for a secular issue. There are gun owners who are liberal, union, gay, democrat, etc. this needed to be focused less on "we need to return to god" and "hide your radio parts" I did not say the rally was a failure or that Deros and Squeak and Bill didn't work hard on it. I am saying that someone should've whispered to Didier and told him to get back on topic or that in the future guest speakers need to be chosen for who will defend gun rights and not preach about SHTF prepping. I did not bad mouth Jim or squeak or anyone, I made a specific complaint about a specific speaker who went way over the boundaries of what should've been pushed

    I am equally angry about Freedom1man and his buddy showing up to troll the rally with their "socialist security" signs that also had nothing to do with gun rights.
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    Well said and thanks for the work to everyone that made this rally possible. I enjoyed all of the speakers I heard from in one way or another. I spoke with Mr. Didier after he spoke, mainly because I am a Washington DC native. I may not agree 100% with all of what he said I appreciate the passion he brings to our cause.

    Also, a faraday cage would be just as effective in protecting a ham radio and you wouldn't have to bury it underground... Just sayin'

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