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    I'm sure this kid will not grow up not trusting cops --- 1% sure

    http://news.yahoo.com/wtf-cops-nab-f...AMEcHQD;_ylv=3


    A story about one 5-year-old particularly stands out. The little boy was required to wear black shoes to school. Because he didn't have black shoes, his mom used a marker to cover up his white and red sneakers. A bit of red and white was still noticeable, so the child was taken home by the cops.

    The child was escorted out of school so he and his mother would be taught a lesson.

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    The story is ridiculous but the race baiting was annoying.

    I wonder if the cop was a thug or said sorry to the kid for the stupidity of the school system.

    ETA:

    Best comment on the article.
    For what it costs to have that cop take the kid home in the cruiser they could have bought the shoes for him instead . . . idiots . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    A story about one 5-year-old particularly stands out. The little boy was required to wear black shoes to school. Because he didn't have black shoes, his mom used a marker to cover up his white and red sneakers. A bit of red and white was still noticeable, so the child was taken home by the cops.

    The child was escorted out of school so he and his mother would be taught a lesson.
    That lesson is, NEVER TRUST THE POLICE. Unless I was reading a different article.
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    These are examples of how law enforcement officers have supplanted peace officers.

    Had I been the cop called to the scene of the "visible red and white shoes", I'd have laughed in the faces of the administrators, and offered the kid a ride with a chance to play with the siren. Along the lines of taking him into protective custody to get him away from the nutcase bureaucrats at the statist indoctrination center school.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa! What a bunch of idiots completely lacking in judgement.


    Regarding the school bus driver hit collaterally with a thrown peanut, my bus drivers when I was growing up didn't need no cops! They was tough women. Forget the cops. A cop woulda been less intimidating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    These are examples of how law enforcement officers have supplanted peace officers.

    Had I been the cop called to the scene of the "visible red and white shoes", I'd have laughed in the faces of the administrators, and offered the kid a ride with a chance to play with the siren. Along the lines of taking him into protective custody to get him away from the nutcase bureaucrats at the statist indoctrination center school.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa! What a bunch of idiots completely lacking in judgement.


    Regarding the school bus driver hit collaterally with a thrown peanut, my bus drivers when I was growing up didn't need no cops! They was tough women. Forget the cops. A cop woulda been less intimidating.
    I did not know that your =age>60.... I thought you were a younger man.
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    Why is it that there is no Zero-Tolerance policy against Zero-Tolerance?

    When the "movement" started, it actually made some sense. Then, like anything else in a bureauocracy it grew and expanded and perpetuated itself so that nopw there is almost nothing that can/will be tolerated, and when you do commit a violation the response is bound and determined to be so out of proportion to the "crime" that people (kids especially, what with their inate sense of justice) look on it as rediculous at best and outrageous at worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Why is it that there is no Zero-Tolerance policy against Zero-Tolerance?

    When the "movement" started, it actually made some sense. Then, like anything else in a bureauocracy it grew and expanded and perpetuated itself so that nopw there is almost nothing that can/will be tolerated, and when you do commit a violation the response is bound and determined to be so out of proportion to the "crime" that people (kids especially, what with their inate sense of justice) look on it as rediculous at best and outrageous at worst.

    stay safe.

    Good post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Why is it that there is no Zero-Tolerance policy against Zero-Tolerance?

    When the "movement" started, it actually made some sense. Then, like anything else in a bureauocracy it grew and expanded and perpetuated itself so that nopw there is almost nothing that can/will be tolerated, and when you do commit a violation the response is bound and determined to be so out of proportion to the "crime" that people (kids especially, what with their inate sense of justice) look on it as rediculous at best and outrageous at worst.

    stay safe.

    Regarding zero-tolerance, one must take into account that a school is a good bit different than a police department's patrol division. A police patrol division is composed of cops enforcing law in public. When cops throw up a zero-tolerance sign, say for speed enforcement, its a warning that anything over the error margin of their radar gets you a ticket.

    But, a school is composed almost entirely of bureaucrats. The zero-tolerance warning in a school may be about controlling behavior. But, its ridiculous application to plastic army men, drawings of stickmen with stickguns, and kids playing cops and robbers has to do with bureaucracy. Bureaucrats hide behind rules; and, they also tend to take no chances about breaking the rules. A bureaucrat is not held responsible for following the rules, only for breaking the rules. The bureaucrat takes no risk in following the rules to the letter. There is no benefit to him personally for breaking the rules. So, why risk it?

    The bureaucrat does not want to leave any opening for criticism in how he applies a rule, either. If he uses personal judgement in how he applies a rule, his bureaucrat boss might think differently, and here comes the negative performance review, or administrative punishment, or whatever. So, there is little or no personal benefit to the bureaucrat for using personal judgement in applying a rule. Why risk it? Its safer for the bureaucrat to take no responsibility and just strictly apply the rule. He won't be held responsible for doing it that way.

    That's my opinion of it, anyway.

    A fella with some real insight into bureaucracy--he's made a study of it--is a financial counselor named Gary North. Just google "Gary North bureaucracy".
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    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Imagine the school's response if a third-grader wore one of these to school:




    Did you notice the price at the end of the video?


    5...4...3...(count down until someone says, "Hey! I wonder if I could fit a real one in my hat?")
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    There is so much wrong in this story, it is hard to know where to begin.

    1. The police exist to enforce laws, not school rules. It is a ridiculous waste of resources to call the cops for a rules violation.

    2. Schools need to be able to make rules about proper dress. It used to be that we could count on parents to regulate that behavior, but now, due to years of statism, folks have come to rely on government, including schools, to make and enforce all rules. Shoe color rules actually exist because, in gang-infested areas, wearing the wrong color shoes could be dangerous. When I taught, we had rules regarding the color of shoelaces and designs cut into hair and eyebrows. However, a legitimate (but stupid) attempt to comply should be met with correction and help, not punishment--let alone involving the police.

    3. Stats comparing relative portions of the population punished vs relative portions of the population existing are moronic. Compare relative portions of the population punished vs. relative portions of the population breaking the rules. The former is race-baiting. The latter is common sense.

    4. Get rid of public schools. It is possible to have public funding of education without public conducting of education. If parents can choose their children's schools, they can decide whether they want their children to go to a school that has ridiculous rules that they enforce in ridiculous ways. And the police would never get involved unless an actual crime was committed.

    The calling of the police was way out of line. If I were the parent, I'd look for relief in the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Imagine the school's response if a third-grader wore one of these to school:




    Did you notice the price at the end of the video?


    5...4...3...(count down until someone says, "Hey! I wonder if I could fit a real one in my hat?")
    I want one ...

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    Let's see here. If one particular group is receiving more punishments than others then let's look at those punished individuals and see if it's attributed to a refusal to comply with some sort of rule. Then let's look at the rule violated and see if it's ridiculous in nature. (examine if the teachers and admin have to comply as well) Chances are it's ridiculous like the all black footwear, unless of course it's part of a school uniform.

    The race baiting is painfully obvious and the media doesn't care what kind of problem it creates.

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