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    Forget the guns, learn to meditate, set things on fire with your mind.

    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Very cool, I used to meditate religiously until a few years back and have started again on and off. I always felt that is helped me focus on things more and be able to use something other than my words to convey my current feelings. Glad to see something showing that people still don't have it all figured out here at home (On Earth)

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    Well... That site led me to many others that eventually landed me on a very weird part of the Internet. And now I have lost an hour of daylight. Damn it.

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    I'm a firm believer in lead-enhanced meditation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Draw View Post
    Well... That site led me to many others that eventually landed me on a very weird part of the Internet. And now I have lost an hour of daylight. Damn it.
    I was only trying to show that shortish video about the power of the human mind.

    Don't blame me for taking a side road and ending up in Wonderland.
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    If meditation can't turn lead into gold what use is it? I can call up the space aliens to deal with my enemies any time I want to - they owe me big time for that thing where I saved their galaxy.

    And all that hoopla about "achieving" perfection? How can I get any more perfecter and awesomer that I already am?

    Oh, about the flouride? It's the only thing that counteracts the saltpetre. I'm just saying. It's your choice to make.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    If meditation can't turn lead into gold what use is it? I can call up the space aliens to deal with my enemies any time I want to - they owe me big time for that thing where I saved their galaxy.

    And all that hoopla about "achieving" perfection? How can I get any more perfecter and awesomer that I already am?

    Oh, about the fluoride? It's the only thing that counteracts the saltpeter. I'm just saying. It's your choice to make.

    stay safe.
    Why would you want to eat either of them? Potassium nitrate or fluoride, that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Why would you want to eat either of them? Potassium nitrate or fluoride, that is.
    Darned youngsters who never heard the stories.

    Government puts certain chemicals in the food, water and/or air to control us. Sometimes one chemical counter-acts another. Sometimes counter-acting the other chemical is a greater good than the control imposed.

    Now get off my lawn!

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    Well, I think the old man in the video is on the right track. Too bad he'd been inculcated by his teacher to maintain a certain level of mystery. If the potential abilities are valuable, and as he stated during the second visit, possessed by everyone, there is no point in keeping it secret/mysterious. Perhaps the mystery requirement stems from a desire for attention or admiration. Perhaps the mystery requirement stems from not wanting it discovered that the ancient masters didn't fully understand everything about it themselves. Perhaps the mystery requirement stems from a desire to limit the number of service providers and maintain a certain status quo in the market place ala guilds and unions.

    But, I don't think we'll have to worry too much about the people who put up the website. They come right out and say the ability stems from the pineal gland. They're stuck on the energy being sourced from the body. Which makes no sense at all. Take, for example, the old man's ability to set paper alight by holding his hand just over the paper and doing something psychic. If he did it by generating electricity or heat within his body, he woulda burned the crap out of his hand while transferring it to the paper.

    I suppose the people who put up the website will achieve and maintain a certain level of workability; but I think they won't progress beyond a certain point. The old man himself was cited as saying each person was capable of tremendous psychic activities--but you can't create, concentrate, and direct but so much energy from the body without burning, boiling, or killing that body. So, I'll tend for the moment to place my bets on the old man.
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    I am done with my meditation -- predict that Coach Harbaugh will win the super bowl....

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    It's all true. I saw it on the internet!



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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post


    LOL
    I've been that constipated before.

    "My name is J'Anal" - boy did he get that right!

    Now, can I have my 5:29 back, please?

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    I can understand not diving in and accepting something like this.

    But, to completely reject it out of hand seems just as much a logic failure to me as unquestioning acceptance.

    Of all people, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists, Hindus, and Shintoists should be the first to wonder about whether there might be some truth behind the old man in the video at the first link.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I can understand not diving in and accepting something like this.

    But, to completely reject it out of hand seems just as much a logic failure to me as unquestioning acceptance.

    Of all people, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists, Hindus, and Shintoists should be the first to wonder about whether there might be some truth behind the old man in the video at the first link.
    I've seen too many illusions (a trick is something a who-re does for money, Michael!) to take anything like that at sight and not under controlled lab conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    I've seen too many illusions (a trick is something a who-re does for money, Michael!) to take anything like that at sight and not under controlled lab conditions.
    Yes, I understand.

    You are essentially setting the same standard for acceptance that I would, or nearly so.

    My comment was aimed at folks who actively reject.

    You see, there is a third option between reject and accept. That is to withhold judgement, and perhaps to just wonder about it. This might even come in varying degrees. For example:

    I don't know; I've never observed something like that, and I suspect its not true.
    I don't know; I've never observed something like that, but I'll keep my eyes open for personal observations that tend to support it.
    I don't know; I've never observed something like that, but it makes sense based on things I have observed; I'll keep my eyes open.
    I don't know; I've have observed other things that would tend to make that plausible.
    .................................................. ....................align with that very well.
    Oh, that. Yeah, seen something similar before, although not exactly the same, but close enough that I have no real reason to doubt it. I call it probable.



    There's probably a few dozen degrees of certainty/uncertainty in the rising scale. Those above are just the one's that occurred to me on the fly.
    Last edited by Citizen; 01-22-2013 at 11:23 PM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    I've seen too many illusions (a trick is something a who-re does for money, Michael!) to take anything like that at sight and not under controlled lab conditions.
    If you (the reader, not just Tawnos) are religous, its too easy for the old man in the video to be plausible.

    All the major religions differ on doctrine and so forth. But, one thing they all have in common is that man is a soul or spirit inhabiting a body.

    This suggests a question directly on point with the old man's abilities: how does the soul/spirit control the body?

    Think about it for just a second. If the soul/spirit is not the body, then it necessarily controls the body somehow. How? Somehow it must impinge on and cause the body to move--its arms, legs, etc. How? How exactly does that work? The body is a physical universe object. A complex object to be sure, but an object nonetheless. So, how does this thing called the soul/spirit affect the body to the point the arms and legs and so forth actually move?

    Send a signal on the nerves? OK. But, the nervous system is a physical universe system. How does the soul/spirit transmit a signal from within himself to the nerves?

    Three options. Thought alone. Creates and directs energy at the nervous system. Traction--a pulling instead of a pushing, like magnetism.

    Of the options, thought alone certainly makes the old man's alleged abilities plausible. If he can control his own body (makes its arms and legs move) by thought alone, I see no reason he couldn't cause another body to move. Its just a matter of distance. He, as a soul or spirit, would be in closer proximity to his own body than his patient, but he's within touching distance of his patience. So, the difference in distance between his own body and his patient is pretty small.

    Creates and directs energy. Certainly makes the old man's alleged abilities plausible. If he can affect his own nerves by creating electricity from within himself as a soul/spirit, I see no reason why he might not also be able to create other forms of energy--for example heat. This, by the way, completely upsets the laws of conservation of energy.

    Traction. If he, as a soul or spirit, can create an effect similar to magnetism in order to cause his own arms and legs to move, it seems entirely plausible that he can either also create other effects, or has the potential ability to create other effects, such as creating energy from scratch.

    He may be unusual compared to the average person; but, if a person is religious and believes in the soul/spirit, the old man's abilities are definitely plausible. No reason at all for a religious person to reject them out of hand.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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