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    Idiot girl on cops....

    So I was watching COPS re-runs, and I saw a clip from Brevard County in Florida. so I'm going to see if I can find the video to link here but here's the description.

    teenage girl pulled over for speeding by Deputy, the Deputy asks where she's going, she gives out a destination that apparently is out of the way from where she is, after he grills her on that he asks for her license, so he looks at her license and then gives her a warning for speed. pretty normal stop at this point...

    now I want you to get yourselves ready, take a moment, drink a can of coke, and get something to eat, and make some popcorn for the next part


    The Deputy tells her that she is free to leave at that moment and doesn't need to do anything further, she can go, he asks her "but can I search your car"?

    She says.....

    Yes...



    he finds a thing of crack, she goes to jail on felony charges all while crying some type of babbling incomprehensible stuff about how some friend left it there....

    moral of the story.... if you're told you're free to go... GO! but i know i'm preaching to the choir here, i'll try to find a video of it, but it'll be a needle in a haystack search
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    people convict themselves all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    people convict themselves all the time.
    I know, I just haven't quite seen one like that, someone is told they're free to go, they know they have contraband, and then consent to a search.

    I mean I've seen the videos in which someone who doesn't know their rights consents, i've seen one in which the officer has a clever double talk that talks someone into consent, never have I seen "you have the right to leave, now can i search" and someone allows the search knowing they would go to jail for it. I mean that's just the next level of wierd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I know, I just haven't quite seen one like that, someone is told they're free to go, they know they have contraband, and then consent to a search.

    I mean I've seen the videos in which someone who doesn't know their rights consents, i've seen one in which the officer has a clever double talk that talks someone into consent, never have I seen "you have the right to leave, now can i search" and someone allows the search knowing they would go to jail for it. I mean that's just the next level of wierd.
    There are court cases that discuss the ability of people to exert their will while also being intimidated by the mere presence of the cop--the representative of the all-powerful state and all that. From what I've read, the courts are willing to avoid giving but so much credit to the effect the mere investigative presence of a cop has on people. The courts basically support the state and the cops. At least to a certain extent, they do.

    In fact, the whole reason the cop waits until after he tells the person he/she is free to go is because of the case law to this point. I don't think the case law actually says the cop has to wait; I think the cops are trying to pre-empt a later claim that the consent wasn't voluntary because the cop was intimidating or what have you.

    I and at least one other forum member regularly follow a legal blog: www.fourthamendment.com I've seen this aspect of Fourth Amendment law discussed a number of times in case excerpts posted on this blog.

    You could try googling "court case police voluntary consent" to find out more.
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    I guess crack makes you stupid .. go figure

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    Without stupid people like her, do you think that the show would really sell?

    Come on would you watch it if was not mostly stupid people on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    So I was watching COPS re-runs, and I saw a clip from Brevard County in Florida.

    The Deputy tells her that she is free to leave at that moment and doesn't need to do anything further, she can go, he asks her "but can I search your car"?

    She says.....

    Yes...
    I live in Brevard County and have shopped at the Target store in Merritt Island where the stop occurred. I brought all my kids together and replayed that segment of the show. I explained the moment an officer returns your drivers license (and ticket if issued) the stop is over. They should say nothing further and LEAVE!
    I also pointed out that not hanging out with druggies, not being seen leaving known drug houses and not possessing drugs would also help.

    We can also use the same knowledge when dealing with LEOs that may object to our exercising 2A rights. Be polite (regardless of their attitude), say as little as possible and leave as soon as possible. Exactly how that works out will vary by situation. It has taken me many years of reading to educate myself on the rights and responsibilities I have interacting with LEOs. Hopefully I have given my kids a head start.
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    ...wouldn't be the first time a 'reality' show, staged something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suckerspawn View Post
    ...wouldn't be the first time a 'reality' show, staged something.
    I don't think they would have to stage that if you ever were in law enforcement you would see people doing stuip things like that all the time.

    It is amazing how many times people with illegal items in their vehicle give permission to search.

    LEOs are trained to get permission and there are some that are very good at it.


    A simple no thank you or no you can not search and leaveing works well.

    The longer you talk with them the more likely they will convince you that a search is in your best interist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    I don't think they would have to stage that if you ever were in law enforcement you would see people doing stuip things like that all the time.

    It is amazing how many times people with illegal items in their vehicle give permission to search.

    LEOs are trained to get permission and there are some that are very good at it.


    A simple no thank you or no you can not search and leaveing works well.

    The longer you talk with them the more likely they will convince you that a search is in your best interist.
    Cops are just as guilty.
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    I just paraphrase many state supreme court opinions on this matter and say:

    "what, you gonna find any more evidence of me speeding in my glove box? Move along."

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I just paraphrase many state supreme court opinions on this matter and say:

    "what, you gonna find any more evidence of me speeding in my glove box? Move along."


    Or, "The 'droids you are looking for are not in the glove box."

    (No, don't say any of that. Just say something polite and be on your way.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post


    Or, "The 'droids you are looking for are not in the glove box."

    (No, don't say any of that. Just say something polite and be on your way.)
    Beep beep beep .... polite? Never tried this method ... lol --its comedy




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    the method I recommend lol
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    "Sir, I have too much respect for the law to allow an unlawful search..."
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    More effective then Jedi Mind tricks...

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