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    Question about parliamentary procedure

    I just want to double check myself on a Bill

    If a Senate bill comes over to the House, it is voted on by the House then. If the House recommends amendments it goes to committee but if not it is either dead or ready for the Governor.

    Am I correct on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I just want to double check myself on a Bill

    If a Senate bill comes over to the House, it is voted on by the House then. If the House recommends amendments it goes to committee but if not it is either dead or ready for the Governor.

    Am I correct on that?
    peter i believe it goes to committee whether there are amendments or not.

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    Here's a good example of a bill from last year that went round and round and round.

    Not sure we can describe it in plain language, but you can at least follow all the steps it went through:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?121+sum+HB375

    This was the parking lot bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Here's a good example of a bill from last year that went round and round and round.

    Not sure we can describe it in plain language, but you can at least follow all the steps it went through:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?121+sum+HB375

    This was the parking lot bill.
    I took a shot... this was a good example, it went through just about every change there is!

    House:

    Initial filing
    Referred to committee and sub-committee
    Passed out of both
    Full House vote (twice)
    Amended on floor
    Full House vote third time.

    Senate:

    Referred to committee
    Reported with substitute
    Full Senate rejected committee substitute
    Floor substitute - agreed to
    Passed full Senate

    House:

    Full House rejected Senate substitute

    Senate:

    Full Senate insisted on substitute

    Senate requests conference committee
    House agrees to conference committee

    Senate/House: both appoint members to committee

    From here it's confusing, looks like Senate agreed, House substituted?

    Bill passed House and Senate as HB375ER
    Signed by both leaders.

    Governor returns with recommendation
    House and Senate both concur on Governor's recommendation

    Signed again by both leaders, and finally Governor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67GT390FB View Post
    peter i believe it goes to committee whether there are amendments or not.
    That's what I'm trying to figure out.
    I've never seen one that was not referred to committee but I think it has to actually be referred there, not automatically go in.

    The only hope for this is to keep it out of committee in the House or at least the Warehouse of death, and that means pressure on the Speaker I think.

    Just trying to figure where to swat that Elephant with a stick.
    Last edited by peter nap; 01-22-2013 at 05:43 PM.

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    I don't know how it is in Virginia, but in Wyoming the leadership of the chamber (Speaker of the House or President of the Senate) assigns bills to the committee of his choosing after the bill comes into the chamber.

    They have the authority, for example, to assign a gun bill to the education committee if they wish. Choosing a particular committee assignment can make a huge difference in what happens to a bill.

    I think what peter nap is having difficulty with is that in Robert's Rules of Order there must be a motion made to refer something to a committee. Legislatures' "rules of order" don't usually bear any resemblance to Robert's Rules of Order.

    Here is a link that will lead you to the House and Senate rules of the General Assembly in Virginia

    http://virginiageneralassembly.gov/v...3Db%26cid%3D90

    And a link to a summary of the process of a bill becoming law.

    http://virginiageneralassembly.gov/i...ctype=b&cid=90

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