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    How long did it take you to get your UPIN?

    I have gotten delays with every purchase I make, and while its not awful, it gets a bit annoying. So I requested a VAF / UPIN packet from the FBI. Its been 3 weeks and I haven't recieved the packet yet. When I do recieve it, about how long will it take to be issued my UPIN? I have no criminal record, arrest record, or even so much as a traffic ticket. The only thing I can think that would cause my delays is my constant change of address, perhaps?

    Anyone have a UPIN, and how long did it take?
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    still no guarantee that you won't get delayed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    still no guarantee that you won't get delayed...
    I've got one, and haven't been delayed since. I've purchased over a dozen with it. I'd get delayed about 50% of the time without it.

    I got the packet from a gun shop, so there was no wait. got my prints and filled in a pamphlet. No kidding, it was a tri-fold pamphlet with just a few fields to fill in. Mailed it and got a letter of acknowledgement within 10 days. Then it was about 150-180 days before the letter with the UPIN came back. There isn't card or anything like a CPL. It's literally a letter with a "this is your UPIN ####." I've written it on the back of my CPL so that I've got it on me for those spur of the moment purchases. Pretty freaky getting a 8 1/2 x 11 envelope marked with FBI on it, when you don't normally get that kind of mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    still no guarantee that you won't get delayed...
    I was getting delays and did not like it. I called the FBI and said"wtf". I was told the local LEOs were holding me (I have irritated BPD). He offered a Upin, but told me, if the locals put a hold on it , the upin will not matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg laigaie View Post
    i was getting delays and did not like it. I called the fbi and said"wtf". I was told the local leos were holding me (i have irritated bpd). He offered a upin, but told me, if the locals put a hold on it , the upin will not matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I was getting delays and did not like it. I called the FBI and said"wtf". I was told the local LEOs were holding me (I have irritated BPD). He offered a Upin, but told me, if the locals put a hold on it , the upin will not matter.
    How could the local PD get involved with a NICS check? You don't think the FBI dials up your local cop shop to get info on you during the NICS check, do you? The check only takes a few minutes, so they'd have no time to do the actual computer check, look up your local pd's #, track down an officer in the office, chit-chat about you, etc... The check is a computer based search. IF your local PD's put some kind of flag on you, which isn't possible, then the UPIN would defeat this. The FBI isn't allowed to maintain a file on you, (I know, I know, I'm sure there are files on most people anyway!), which is what the purpose of the UPIN is for. It's your authorization for them TO keep a file on you. That way, if they get a hit on you, they've already stored the info about that hit in your file, explaining what the issue was and then they don't have to do a background search on the hit.

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    I had folks come into the shop buy a handgun, provide a UPIN and get delayed....

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    If I'm not mistaken, you can go to the appeals website and download the entire packet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I was getting delays and did not like it. I called the FBI and said"wtf". I was told the local LEOs were holding me (I have irritated BPD). He offered a Upin, but told me, if the locals put a hold on it , the upin will not matter.
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    How is a local police department able to put a hold on a UPIN without tripping over the state constitution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadada View Post
    How could the local PD get involved with a NICS check? You don't think the FBI dials up your local cop shop to get info on you during the NICS check, do you? ..................
    Actually, yes, I do. When I spoke with agents about this situation they told me that if the local LEOs want to flag me for five, they can do that. NICS agent said there was nothing they can do and then asked what I had done to PO my local chief. I told him I was suing him because one of his officers made an a$$hat of himself. The NICS guy laughed and then apologized. Still nothing he can do. You can beat the rap, but not the ride. It no longer bothers me and I plan for it when I make a purchase.
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    Why would local PD flag someone if they would otherwise pass NICS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theaero View Post
    Why would local PD flag someone if they would otherwise pass NICS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theaero View Post
    Why would local PD flag someone if they would otherwise pass NICS?
    Not just pass the NICS, but have a CPL and an 03FFL. I just pi$$ them off. Petty, I know, but sometimes people in power get petty. Make me laugh.........and persistent.
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