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    So while they're tryin to take away our "assault weapons", they want another 7,000.


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    The American people must have the ability to defend themselves from all threats foreign or domestic.Feinstein's argument is invalid and down right un American.

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    Another naked link. Please provide a F U Q. It is a common courtesy to do so.

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    Well,,,

    I am in agreement...
    I will not click Blind links,,, anymore...
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    the title of the thread explains what the link is about.. anyways... it seems when citizens own a semi auto AR-15, it magically becomes an evil "assault weapon", also described by the media as a "machine gun"... but when DHS wants to own the full auto version, it miraculously becomes a "personal defense weapon", and its not a machine gun, its a "select fire rifle"

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    No, it doesn't. Another 7,000 what? Rifles, handguns, dollars? Who wants it? Is this another bill? An op-ed? A speech?

    A F U Q or, at least, an abstract will let people know whether they should expend the effort to follow the link. It is also a common courtesy. Common, no big deal. Folks should automatically provide one, just out of respect for others. We are, for the most part, not blind followers here. Go to an anti site if that is who you want to communicate with.

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    the article is good, but it creates pop-ups that bypass IE's pop-up blocker. don't bother clicking the link; just google "dhs buys 7,000 personal defense weapons" or something similar, to see the story
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    the article is good, but it creates pop-ups that bypass IE's pop-up blocker. don't bother clicking the link; just google "dhs buys 7,000 personal defense weapons" or something similar, to see the story
    My firefox worked OK ... from one of the docs of the linky


    3.0 REQUIREMENTS AND TESTING STANDARDS
    3.1 General. DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required. Only one specific nomenclature firearm from each Contractor shall be submitted for solicitation testing and considered for contract award.

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    also, anytime a link has a pic of that janet napassso please not this fact -- her pic almost caused me to go blind
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    Now, now ,now. They want 7,000 personal defense weapons (aka M-16 fully automatic rifles) Not as dangerous as assault weapons (aka AR-15 semi-automatic rifles)
    I stopped stocking for the zombie apocalypse. I now stock for the liberal apocalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    the article is good, but it creates pop-ups that bypass IE's pop-up blocker. don't bother clicking the link; just google "dhs buys 7,000 personal defense weapons" or something similar, to see the story
    There's your first problem.

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    Actually, someone had already explained the "7000." It turns out that this is old news, has been posted many times before, and is a silly concern. Had there been a F U Q in the first post, I probably would've chuckled to myself and skipped the thread. At most, I would have pointed out the silliness of this concern. LE buying guns! Oh, the humanity!

    We have bigger concerns. The problem is not that the government is armed. It is that we are not. When we take our eye off the ball, when we childishly stamp our feet and say, "Oh yeah? Well they have guns! Why can't we have guns?" we do ourselves discredit

    We should stick to pointing out the rationality and the legality of the Right--like adults. Leave the childishness to the antis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Actually, someone had already explained the "7000." It turns out that this is old news, has been posted many times before, and is a silly concern. Had there been a F U Q in the first post, I probably would've chuckled to myself and skipped the thread. At most, I would have pointed out the silliness of this concern. LE buying guns! Oh, the humanity!

    We have bigger concerns. The problem is not that the government is armed. It is that we are not. When we take our eye off the ball, when we childishly stamp our feet and say, "Oh yeah? Well they have guns! Why can't we have guns?" we do ourselves discredit

    We should stick to pointing out the rationality and the legality of the Right--like adults. Leave the childishness to the antis.
    I agree in part and dissent in part. Your point is spot on re where our focus must be maintained. However, we as liberty loving American must be vigilant and "encourage" our elected officials that the power of the purse is ultimately held by the people. It is incumbent upon us to defund these expenditures, before they happen if possible, via political pressure. It is not a "Oh the humanity moment!" at this point, but it is getting exceedingly close to a "Oh the humanity!" moment.
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    Personal Defense Weapon

    In reference to the OP, I like the thoughts on this blog: (http://2ndamendmentnj.blogspot.com/2...se-weapon.html)

    I included a little of the post, it's a good read.

    <snip>
    Words or more accurately the re-defining of words is a weapon of the leftist. Occasionally we are presented with a gift, a diamond in the rough. It's up to us to pick it up and make it beautiful. On background, it appears that the gun control crowd has conceded self defense & hunting as legitimate reasons for a 2nd Amendment. Until they un-concede. Then killing animals and defending yourself is once again mean spirited and must be banned. For now, let's take that concession along with the term Personal Defense Weapon (our diamond) and ram it down their collective throats. Surely reasonable people would agree that private citizens can own Personal Defense Weapons. It gets better.

    Here's a question; what's a Personal Defense Weapon?
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    Whenever you read a story with "assault rifle" or "assault weapon" in the copy, fire off an email correcting them. Reference the story in the first sentence and then copy paste this:


    To avoid confusion, kindly adopt the US Government approved technical term Personal Defense Weapon in lieu of the political term assault weapon.
    As defined, an AR-15 is a Personal Defense Weapons or “PDW”. A good technical term is preferred over an emotional one.

    According to the June 7, 2012 “Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation, HSCEMS-12-R-00011” issued by the Department of Homeland Security, a Personal Defense Weapon is a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required.
    The specifications include collapsible stock, pistol grip, flash suppressor and 30 round magazine.
    All responsible news outlets should adopt this reasonable term instead of the emotional term assault weapon.
    Personal Defense Weapon or “PDW” is clearly defined by a reputable source lending itself to accuracy in reporting.
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    DHS buys 7000 full-auto assault rifles, calls them ‘personal defense weapons.

    I oppologise if this has been posted already on this forum or elsewhere on this board, but this is doing the rounds of some hunting and shooting sites Down Under. I thought you all might be interested.

    "DHS buys 7000 full-auto assault rifles, calls them ‘personal defense weapons’

    Mike Adams
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    Jan 28, 2013
    In yet another huge blow to the rhetoric and narrative of the Obama administration and its desire to disarm the American public, a DHS bid has been uncovered (see documents below) showing that the Department of Homeland Security recently put out an offer to purchase 7,000 full-auto “assault weapons” to be used domestically, inside the USA.

    Keep in mind that President Obama is on the record saying, “AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals; that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities.”
    But it seems he really means they don’t belong on the streets of our cities unless they are in the hands of homeland security enforcers, in which case they can be FULL-AUTO assault weapons.

    The DHS bid for 7,000 full-auto assault weapons is found by clicking here. The original credit for discovering this goes, to my best knowledge, to Awr Hawkins at Breitbart.com.
    In the hands of the government, they’re called “Personal Defense Weapons”
    The juiciest part of this bid is the use of the phrase “Personal Defense Weapons” to describe the full-auto AR-15s being purchased by DHS.

    Apparently, when YOU hold an AR-15, it’s an “assault rifle.” But magically, if you hand that same rifle to an armed government homeland security enforcer, it instantly transforms itself into a “personal defense weapon.”

    The request for bid actually says:
    DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and / or when maximum concealment is required.
    So there it is, right in black and white: DHS enforcers need full-auto AR-15s which are “suitable for personal defense in close quarters” and for “maximum concealment.”
    But if you or I make the same claim, suddenly we are branded lunatics by the fringe left and all the gun grabbers across America who apparently have no clue that their own government is arming up like never before.

    Senator Feinstein, the gun-grabbing Senator from California, says she wants to take all the guns from all Americans. “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,” she says on the record. But while Mr. and Mrs. America are turning in their guns, ‘roid-head DHS goons are arming to the teeth with full-auto assault rifles.
    This is all on top of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition the U.S. government has already stockpiled, as was discovered last year. What kind of government wants to domestically stockpile ammo and full-auto weapons, putting them in the hands of domestic agents who have nothing whatsoever to do with overseas wars? Well, the kind of government that plans to NEED 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and full-auto assault weapons, of course.

    Read some language from the contract bid: Pistol grips, full-auto and more
    Click here to see the bid.
    Here’s some selected text from the bid:
    ICE/Mission Support-DC
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement
    Office of Acquisition Management
    801 I Street NW, Suite 980
    Washington DC 20536
    Troy Teachey, troy.teachey@dhs.gov
    Delivery Location Code: ICE/AS/NFTTU
    ICE Natl Firearm Tactical Trng Unit
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement
    500 12th ST SW, Washington DC 20536
    5.56X45mm NATO Personal Defense Weapon

    During the base period and four option periods of this contract the maximum ceiling is $9,800,000.
    Click here for the PDF document containing the following text:
    The scope of this contract is to provide a total of up to 7,000 5.56x45mm North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) personal defense weapons (PDW) throughout the life of this contract to numerous Department of Homeland Security components.

    The action shall be select-fire (capable of semi-automatic and automatic fire).
    The action shall be capable of accepting all standard NATO STANAG 20 and 30 round M16 magazines (NSN 1005-00-921-5004) and Magpul 30 round PMAG (NSN 1005-01-576-5159). The magazine shall have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.
    The receiver top shall be equipped with an integral MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail for mounting sights and other accessories.

    The fire control selector shall have three positions; safe, semi-automatic, and automatic.
    The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.

    DHS admits AR-15 with 30-round magazine is “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters”
    This government document openly admits that AR-15s with 30-round magazines and capable of fully automatic fire are “suitable for personal defense” in close quarters (i.e. your home).

    CNN, of course, doesn’t want you to ever hear that. Nor does Feinstein, Cuomo, Schumer, Obama, Eric Holder or any other gun grabbers. Even while their own government is arming up with 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and 7,000 full-auto “assault rifles” (plus lots more in other bids), they are trying to completely disarm the American citizenry through new gun registration and confiscation legislation.

    The whole point of all this, of course, is to create firepower disparity between the government and the citizenry… To disarm the People while arming up the government agents who operate domestically. That way, the people can be forced at gunpoint into doing almost anything the oppressive government demands! (Taking vaccine shots, giving up private property, turning over farms and businesses, etc.)
    What’s really hard-hitting about this is that the radical left keeps claiming things like “no one needs an assault rifle for personal defense.” Okay, if that true, then the Department of Homeland Security should abandon all such rifles first! Let’s see DHS turn in all its rifles and ammo, thereby setting an example of the “fact” that “nobody needs an assault rifle” for self defense.

    In truth, a full-auto AR-15 is an outstanding weapon for self defense, which is exactly why DHS is buying thousands of them. Nothing stops bad guys faster than a barrage of high-velocity lead aimed in their direction. Again, that’s why DHS wants these rifles in the first place. One of these rifles in the hands of a citizen could have stopped the Sandy Hook shooting in seconds.

    Pay attention to the word games (which are really mind games)

    As you observe the highly manipulated gun control argument, pay special attention to the word games you’re being subjected to:
    An AR-15 in the hands of a citizen is an “assault rifle.”
    But an AR-15 in the hands of a DHS agent is a “Personal Defense Weapon.”
    A full-auto-capable rifle in the hands of a citizen is called a “machine gun.”
    A full-auto-capable rifle in the hands of a DHS agent is called a “select-fire rifle.”
    According to the media, all government agents with assault rifles are presumed innocent and assumed to be stopping crime.

    But all private citizens with assault rifles are presumed guilty and assumed to be causing crime.
    When one citizen goes crazy and murders a bunch of people, the call goes out for ALL citizens to be stripped of their firearms.

    But when one government agent goes crazy and murders a bunch of people, the calls goes out for MORE guns to be placed in the hands of MORE government agents!
    Thank you, DHS, for admitting the truth

    In summary, it looks like we actually need to thank the DHS for admitting the truth that Obama won’t: AR-15s are personal defense weapons, suitable for use in close quarters, especially when equipped with 30-round magazines.

    That’s why I own one, and it’s why DHS wants thousands more (but theirs are full-auto, while mine is only semi-auto).

    As a general rule, all freedom-loving Americans should want the same firepower their domestic government possesses. That’s the whole point behind the Second Amendment, and it represents the distribution of power in a free society.

    But instead of firepower being equal in America today, DHS is using our taxpayer dollars to purchase thousands of full-auto weapons for their own agents. This is apparently being done under ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement).

    This brings up the question for another entire article, and here’s the question: Why does immigration need 7,000 full-auto assault rifles? Is there a friggin’ Mexican invasion planned that nobody told me about? Is ICE going to invade Mexico and start a shooting war with the Mexican drug cartels?

    Seriously: Why does ICE need 7,000 full-auto assault rifles? And why does DHS need 1.6 billion rounds of ammo?"
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    The above from thread merged with this one.
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    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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