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    Fienstien exempts herself

    Feinstein's Gun Ban Exempts... Her

    By Bobby Eberle January 28, 2013 12:41 pm
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    The Democrats are clamoring for a gun ban. It doesn't matter that the federal government has no business tracking us or telling us what firearm we can or can't own, but now liberals like Dianne Feinstein are throwing in a hefty dose of hypocrisy. It turns out that Feinstein's bill would exempt her from the restrictions placed on everyone else.
    As reported in the Washington Times, "the measure is by far the most ambitious of the number of gun-control bills introduced in the wake of the school shootings in Newtown, Conn., last month."
    Her bill seeks to reinstate and expand the ban on assault weapons that was first enacted in 1994, but which lapsed in 2004.
    It would prohibit semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature, such as a pistol grip or telescoping. Purchasing the AR-15 Bushmaster rifle, which was used by the shooter in Newtown, would be illegal under the ban.
    Mrs. Feinstein's measure would exempt more than 2,200 types of hunting and sporting rifles; guns manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; and weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel.
    It would also ban ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
    The Weekly Standard confirms other reports by stating, "if the proposed legislation becomes law, government officials and others will be exempt."
    So what is going on here? People in houses... facing intruders... will be restricted on what they can use to defend themselves, but Feinstein and others won't?
    This entire debate is just a ploy by the government to gain more control... and firearms are the vehicle. If Feinstein can defend herself with whatever means she deems appropriate, shouldn't you be able to do the same?


    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Now the Constitution says they are not allowed to make any law the exempts them while putting restrictions on the public. I am surprised no one has taken them to court over that violation of the Constitution, it would really clean house of a lot of these type of laws.
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    This again?

    Can someone please cite the portion of the bill that exempts members of the legislature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    This again?

    Can someone please cite the portion of the bill that exempts members of the legislature?

    “Mrs. Feinstein’s measure would exempt more than 2,200 types of hunting and sporting rifles; guns manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; and weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel,” the Washington Times reports.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...weapons/print/

    You can press Control F to do a search of her bill to get the exact spot in her bill from her site. She is consider to be a government official and she has a CCW permit while many in her state are denied one. So its not hard for me to think she made herself exempt. I cant do it from my phone.
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    When it says "weapons used by government officials" wouldn't that mean that the government official would actually have to have an "official" reason for using the weapon? I don't think it would pertain to recreational use of a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    When it says "weapons used by government officials" wouldn't that mean that the government official would actually have to have an "official" reason for using the weapon? I don't think it would pertain to recreational use of a weapon.
    So many of their bills progressives are pushing are so vague in their wording that it is meant to make it hard on us to fight them in court as well to protect them being exempt from the law in every possible way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    “Mrs. Feinstein’s measure would exempt more than 2,200 types of hunting and sporting rifles; guns manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; and weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel,” the Washington Times reports.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...weapons/print/

    You can press Control F to do a search of her bill to get the exact spot in her bill from her site. She is consider to be a government official and she has a CCW permit while many in her state are denied one. So its not hard for me to think she made herself exempt. I cant do it from my phone.
    The person who makes a contention should support it, not assign homework to someone who asks for a cite.

    Have you read the bill? It is a HUGE list of edits to the code. If someone is going to contend that the bill says something, they should support that contention by applying the appropriate edit to the appropriate paragraph of the current code, and show that it exempts legislators. No one who has made this contention has yet to bother to back the claim up. A few have lazily just linked the bill and assigned homework.

    That is intellectually dishonest, lazy, or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    When it says "weapons used by government officials" wouldn't that mean that the government official would actually have to have an "official" reason for using the weapon? I don't think it would pertain to recreational use of a weapon.
    That is what I suspect the claimants are mistakenly referring to. That is why I have asked for a cite about a dozen times in about a half-a-dozen different threads with this same unsupported contention. No one has yet to find the actual language that supports the contention. I suspect that they can't and are simply regurgitating the mythology that they are predisposed to believe.

    On edit: OCDO used to be better than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    The person who makes a contention should support it, not assign homework to someone who asks for a cite.

    Have you read the bill? It is a HUGE list of edits to the code. If someone is going to contend that the bill says something, they should support that contention by applying the appropriate edit to the appropriate paragraph of the current code, and show that it exempts legislators. No one who has made this contention has yet to bother to back the claim up. A few have lazily just linked the bill and assigned homework.

    That is intellectually dishonest, lazy, or both.
    Again I was not the one who started the thread and was just providing the link as best I could from my phone. I am digging through it now and found a few things will post them when I get done. Page 15-18 lists some officials who are exempt I have found so far.



    15
    OLL13052 S.L.C.
    1 ‘‘(A) the importation for, manufacture for, sale
    2 to, transfer to, or possession by the United States
    3 or a department or agency of the United States or
    4 a State or a department, agency, or political subdivi
    5 sion of a State, or a sale or transfer to or possession
    6 by a qualified law enforcement officer employed by
    7 the United States or a department or agency of the
    8 United States or a State or a department, agency,
    9 or political subdivision of a State, for purposes of
    10 law enforcement (whether on or off duty), or a sale
    11 or transfer to or possession by a campus law en
    12 forcement officer for purposes of law enforcement
    13 (whether on or off duty);
    14 ‘‘(B) the importation for, or sale or transfer to
    15 a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of
    16 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining
    17 an on-site physical protection system and security
    18 organization required by Federal law, or possession
    19 by an employee or contractor of such licensee on-site
    20 for such purposes or off-site for purposes of licensee
    21authorized training or transportation of nuclear ma
    22 terials;
    23 ‘‘(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law en
    25 forcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited


    16
    OLL13052 S.L.C.
    1 from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault
    2 weapon—
    3 ‘‘(i) sold or transferred to the individual by
    4 the agency upon such retirement; or
    5 ‘‘(ii) that the individual purchased, or oth
    6erwise obtained, for official use before such re
    7 tirement;
    8 ‘‘(D) the importation, sale, manufacture, trans
    9 fer, or possession of a semiautomatic assault weapon
    10 by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for
    11 the purposes of testing or experimentation author
    12 ized by the Attorney General; or
    13 ‘‘(E) the importation, sale, manufacture, trans
    14 fer, or possession of a firearm specified in Appendix
    15 A to this section, as such firearm was manufactured
    16 on the date of introduction of the Assault Weapons
    17 Ban of 2013.
    18 ‘‘(5) For purposes of paragraph (4)(A), the term
    19 ‘campus law enforcement officer’ means an individual who
    20 is—
    21 ‘‘(A) employed by a private institution of higher
    22 education that is eligible for funding under title IV
    23 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C.'
    24 1070 et seq.);

    17
    OLL13052 S.L.C.
    1 ‘‘(B) responsible for the prevention or investiga
    2 tion of crime involving injury to persons or property,
    3 including apprehension or detention of persons for
    4 such crimes;
    5 ‘‘(C) authorized by Federal, State, or local law
    6 to carry a firearm, execute search warrants, and
    7 make arrests; and
    8 ‘‘(D) recognized, commissioned, or certified by
    9 a government entity as a law enforcement officer.
    10 ‘‘(6) The Attorney General shall establish and main
    11 tain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model,
    12 and, if available, date of manufacture of any semiauto
    13 matic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made
    14 aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal
    15 or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the
    16 crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal
    17 investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General
    18 shall annually submit a copy of the record established
    19 under this paragraph to the Congress and make the record
    20 available to the general public.
    21 ‘‘(w)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
    22 sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
    23 interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.


    18
    OLL13052 S.L.C.
    1 ‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
    2 of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
    3 lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of
    4 the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013.
    5 ‘‘(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
    6 ‘‘(A) the importation for, manufacture for, sale
    7 to, transfer to, or possession by the United States
    8 or a department or agency of the United States or
    9 a State or a department, agency, or political subdivi
    10 sion of a State, or a sale or transfer to or possession
    11 by a qualified law enforcement officer employed by
    12 the United States or a department or agency of the
    13 United States or a State or a department, agency,
    14 or political subdivision of a State for purposes of law
    15 enforcement (whether on or off duty), or a sale or
    16 transfer to or possession by a campus law enforce
    17 ment officer for purposes of law enforcement (wheth
    18 er on or off duty);


    19
    OLL13052 S.L.C.
    1 authorized training or transportation of nuclear ma
    2 terials;
    3 ‘‘(C) the possession, by an individual who is re
    4 tired in good standing from service with a law en
    5 forcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited
    6 from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity am
    7 munition feeding device—
    8 ‘‘(i) sold or transferred to the individual by
    9 the agency upon such retirement; or
    10 ‘‘(ii) that the individual purchased, or oth'
    11 erwise obtained, for official use before such re
    12 tirement; or
    13 ‘‘(D) the importation, sale, manufacture, trans
    14 fer, or possession of any large capacity ammunition
    15 feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed
    16 importer for the purposes of testing or experimen17
    tation authorized by the Attorney General.
    18 ‘‘(4) For purposes of paragraph (3)(A), the term
    19 ‘campus law enforcement officer’ means an individual who
    20 is—
    21 ‘‘(A) employed by a private institution of higher
    22 education that is eligible for funding under title IV
    23 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C.
    24 1070 et seq.);
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    I posted what I found so far, I am heading to bed I have to be up to work in 4 hours, feel free to dig through it.
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    Zack, where in your quote of the bill is Feinstein exempted?

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    IN HER OWN WORDS: See video from 20:50 - 20:58
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUfr...ayer_embedded#!

    Here is from the 20:30 second mark and on to get her whole sentence.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUfr...ilpage#t=1229s

    As for the spot in her bill I emailed the editor from the weekly standard he cited the same pages as I have and he also had stated that on her own website it listed government officials as exempt and since the news coverage of this, he said it has since been removed from her summery. He said it was quite odd she has now edited it from her summery but the bill that she has posted on her site still has not been changed or noting any changes to her bill.

    http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ns-ban-summary

    This is the now edited text according to the editor who has said the Government officials was removed after the news media posted the articles about government officials being exempt.

    The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

    Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
    Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
    Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
    Antique weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    You can press Control F to do a search of her bill to get the exact spot in her bill from her site. She is consider to be a government official and she has a CCW permit while many in her state are denied one. So its not hard for me to think she made herself exempt. I cant do it from my phone.
    No, you can do it before you post crap. Too bad the Washington Times doesn't have Rule #5:

    CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

    Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
    Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
    Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
    Antique weapons.
    Well duh. What gun control bill hasn't? Is Feinstein an LEO? Retired LEO, even?

    Frankly, if you can't even find where the bill creates such an exemption, why are you railing against it? There's plenty wrong with the bill in principle you could spend your time arguing against. Feinstein could be a saint with the best intentions in the world, and her bill is still a bad one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    No, you can do it before you post crap. Too bad the Washington Times doesn't have Rule #5:
    Again I was not the orginal poster of this thread and If you look a few post above I have cited where it points out government employees are exempt, also she say it on video in her own words that Senator graham is exempt from the law. As well as the editor noted he got his statement about "Government Officials: being exempt from her very own summery on HER site and since this has come out in the media she has since edit it from her summery. So dont snap at me period, I was just replying to the same thread as everyone else has and Eye95 asked me to find it, even though this has been covered on countless articles as being fact. I was unable to do it earlier because I could not use my I phone at work to dig into her bill. The Weekly standard, Huffington Post, Washington Times all linking her summery stating ""Government Officials" that has now since been edited from her page. If I could post a screen shot of her page prior to the edit I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Zack, where in your quote of the bill is Feinstein exempted?
    Again, I ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    Again I was not the orginal poster of this thread...
    Good point, and for directing my post at you I apologize. It should have been directed at the OP. And the Washington Times.

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