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    NVFAC - who is the genious behind this last decision?

    why are they supporting Clark County when they refuse to fully comply with the laws, and that's not even bringing up the blue card issue!

    "MARK YOUR CALENDARS! NVFAC will host our first annual members meeting on February 23, 2013 at the Clark County Shooting Complex"

    http://emarketing.colouredstudio.com...dlv/xnikat8i1i
    remove handgun registration in Clark County,NV

    2nd amendment in modern English: The people have the right to own and carry firearms, and it may not be violated because a well-equipped Militia is necessary for a State to remain secure and free.

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    They are completely tone deaf.

    Remember, the president of NVFAC used to run CCSP (now CCSR).

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    We already have another thread on here about this. Some of us who are members are still trying to figure out how we want to handle that day.

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    Please email don@nvfac.org and voice your displeasure. Be civil but firm very firm.

    We have discussed if we should boycott the meeting, attend and be vocal, or stand outside handing out flyers asking people not to use the range and why. I guess we need to make a decision shortly.

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    Please do not boycott the meeting.

    Attend and be heard.

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    I assume attending would require joining first. . . If this is what I see from the outside it scares me what I will see if/when I join, and yes I know that if I join I can voice my opinion for said change.
    remove handgun registration in Clark County,NV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic84 View Post
    I assume attending would require joining first. . . If this is what I see from the outside it scares me what I will see if/when I join, and yes I know that if I join I can voice my opinion for said change.
    Join. Does the NVFAC have some growing pains? Yes. Are there things I don't like? Yes. It is very important that we have a voice in Carson City. A united group pushing for real change in the NV firearms laws. We need to have 1 law for all of NV. This means a strong lobby and that means numbers. If for nothing else for campus carry, constitutional carry, rid us of the grandfather clause that makes those of us in Clark County sub citizens and defending our right to own the firearms of our choice.

    Join and make your voice heard. Having your voice heard does not mean that you will always get what you want, but you have to look at the big picture. If by joining it gains us just one of the items listed above, it more than makes the $25 worthwhile.

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    They didn't rein Bob Irwin in for his stupid comments regarding how it's easier to buy an 'assault weapon' than a handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbogo470 View Post
    They didn't rein Bob Irwin in for his stupid comments regarding how it's easier to buy an 'assault weapon' than a handgun.

    mbogo
    Who are they? What information do you have regarding what was or is being done about it? As a member you would have the ability to help vote him out. The two choices you have are act, or point a finger and complain.

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    I was a member. When I complained about Mr. Irwin being a loose cannon, the thread was deleted from the NVFAC forum.

    When I complained about that, I was told that forums were not for attacking fellow members (in effect, 'shut up').

    I resigned, since leadership was more interested in insulating itself from criticism by members than keeping Bob Irwin from making statements injurious to our cause.

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    I suppose we could work for a regime change! tax time is here I might join if only to sway the vote!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbogo470 View Post
    I was a member. When I complained about Mr. Irwin being a loose cannon, the thread was deleted from the NVFAC forum.

    When I complained about that, I was told that forums were not for attacking fellow members (in effect, 'shut up').

    I resigned, since leadership was more interested in insulating itself from criticism by members than keeping Bob Irwin from making statements injurious to our cause.

    mbogo
    Yep. I had the same threat against me. They are going to get one more chance from me at this meeting.

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    I got a invite from the NVFAC (as most probably did) to attend the Valentines day event. I do not know if my response was sent to anyone in particular, but it said Don Turner, Here is my response:
    I wish I could support the CCSC however Clark county insists on registering gun owners As if they were sex offenders. The day I cease to be treated like a sex offender is the day I support the shooting complex.
    I think I need to make a sign for Monday that says "REGISTRATION IS FOR COVICTED SEX OFFENDERS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    I got a invite from the NVFAC (as most probably did) to attend the Valentines day event. I do not know if my response was sent to anyone in particular, but it said Don Turner, Here is my response:


    I think I need to make a sign for Monday that says "REGISTRATION IS FOR COVICTED SEX OFFENDERS"
    I let them know also. (Not as if they don't already know where I stand on this issue.) I would hope that anyone else who feels strongly about this issue will also let Don Turner know. There is strength in numbers. Write don@nvfac.org.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    I got a invite from the NVFAC (as most probably did) to attend the Valentines day event. I do not know if my response was sent to anyone in particular, but it said Don Turner, Here is my response:


    I think I need to make a sign for Monday that says "REGISTRATION IS FOR COVICTED SEX OFFENDERS"
    They have something on the 14th? I didnt get a email then. Maybe I got booted out for speaking out and just dont know it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    I let them know also. (Not as if they don't already know where I stand on this issue.) I would hope that anyone else who feels strongly about this issue will also let Don Turn know. There is strength in numbers. Write don@nvfac.org.

    TBG
    I have. And of course he turns a blind eye. Defends the county and in my view went so far as to defend the law.

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    I guess I just dont get it according to the MAN. I didnt know the desert had operating hours.



    QUOTE" You just don't get that having MORE shooters makes us more influencial. 47% of Clark County owns guns and had no public place to shoot. The desert was closed. A hour wait at the public range shows how many people use it. The county management didn't want to have the range, the PUBLIC demanded it. If you had your way there would be no public range and the county would be happy not having a range to deal with. We need more shooters, more shooters means more people concerned about their rights, more people concerned means more pressure to change the laws, more pressure means the laws will get changed. Pretty simple to me.

    Anyways, for the rest of the members, we are having our first annual meeting at the Clark County Shooting Complex. We have a very critical legislative year, so please stay connected, sharpen your pencils (power up your keyboards) and let's make a difference with out gun laws this year!"
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    I think reference being made to:

    12.04.230 - Discharging unlawful—Exceptions.
    It is unlawful to wilfully discharge any pistol, firearm, air gun, musket or instrument of any kind, character or description which throws a bullet or missile of any kind for any distance by means of the elastic force of air or any explosive substance within that area legally described below and depicted by the shaded areas on the map labeled Attachment A, adopted herewith as signed and dated by the chairman of the board of county commissioners and available for public inspection in the commission division office of the county clerk. The areas in the county where it is unlawful to willfully discharge a firearm, excluding shooting ranges, or a sanctioned event by federal, state, county or an incorporated city currently licensed by business license, are generally located within the entire unincorporated towns of Whitney, Paradise, Spring Valley, Sunrise Manor[,] and Winchester [and Goodsprings], the urbanized areas of Lone Mountain and Enterprise, Goodsprings, Sandy Valley, Blue Diamond, Calico Basin, the area south of State Route 157 in Section 1 and all of Section 12, Township 19 South, Range 59 East, the proposed Apex Heavy Industry Zone, Las Vegas Dunes Recreation Area, the Sunrise Mountain Natural Area, Rainbow Gardens and the River Mountain area between Henderson and the Lake Mead Recreation Area north of Boulder Highway.
    The specific locations where it is unlawful to willfully discharge a firearm are legally described below. In the event that the general description conflicts with the specific legal description, the legal description shall be controlling.
    Legal description of the areas included within this section are: Township 21 South, Range 58 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 24, 25, 26 excluding that portion included in the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. Township 19 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 12, 13, 24, 25, 36. Township 20 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 1, 12, 25 excluding those portions in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 21 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 4, 6 excluding those portions included in the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. Township 22 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 24. Township 19 South, range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 18, 19, 29, 30, 31, 32. Sections: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 33, 34, 35 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 20 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 24, 25 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 21 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 1 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 22 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. N 1/2 Sec 30. Township 23 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 12, 13, 24, 25. Township 19 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 26, 27, 35 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Township 20 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 19, 20, 36 excluding those portions included in the incorporated cities of Las Vegas and North Las Vegas. Township 21 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 1, 7, 8, 9 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 22 South, Range 61 east, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34. Sections: 12, 13, 24, 26 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 23 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 30. Section: 11 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 19 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo, Base Meridian, all of Sections: 23, 28. Sections: 14, 21, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Sections: 12, 25, 26, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base and Gunnery Range. Township 20 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 33, 34, 35, 36. Section: 6 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Sections: 1, 2, 4, 5, 10, 11, 15, 16 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base. Township 21 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. Sections: 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 22 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 1, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 17 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, that portion of Section 32 west of U.S. Highway 93 excluding that portion included in the Bureau of Land Management Wilderness Study Area NV050-217, Fish and Wildlife #3. That portion of Section 33 west of U.S. Highway 93. Township 18 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 4, 9, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35. Sections: 3, 4, 10, 11, 13, 14 west of U.S. Highway 93. Section: 31 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base Ground Gunnery Range. Sections: 5, 8, 19, 29, 31 excluding those portions included in the Bureau of Land Management Wilderness Study Area NV-050-217, Fish and Wildlife #3. Township 19 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 35, 36. Sections: 27, 28, 29, 30, 34 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base. Section 20 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Township 20 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base. Township 21 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25, 26, 30, 35, 36. Sections: 22, 28, 29, 33 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 22 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 11, 12, 13, 24, 25, 36. Sections: 5, 6, 7, 14, 18, 23, 26 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 23 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, N 1/2 of Section 2 excluding those portions included in the incorporated cities of Henderson and Boulder City. Township 18 South, Range 64 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 18, 19, S 1/2 of Section 7, N 1/2 of Section 20. Township 21 South, Range 63 1/2 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 12, 13, 14, 25, 36. Township 22 South, Range 63 1/2 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Section 1 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Boulder City. Township 24 South, Range 58 East, all of Sections: 25, 26. Township 24 South, Range 56 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 9, 10, 14, 15, 23, 24, 25. Portions of Sections: 16, 21, 22, 26, 27, 35, 36, lying northeasterly of the Nevada/California State border. Township 24 South, Range 57 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 31, 32, 33. Township 25 South, Range 56 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, that portion of Section 1, lying northeasterly of the Nevada/California State border. Township 25 South, Range 57 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 3, 4, 5, 9. Portions of Sections: 6, 7, 8, 16, 17, 21, 22, lying northeasterly of the Nevada/California State border. (Ord. 2427 § 1, 2000: Ord. 1562 § 1, 1994: Ord. 1173 § 1, 1989: Ord. 997 § 1, 1986: Ord. 413 § 1, 1973: Ord. 392 § 1, 1972: Ord. 351 § 1, 1970: Ord. 290 § 1, 1968: Ord. 118 § 1, 1960) (Ord. No. 3807, § 1, 9-1-2009)
    Being from the north, I'm not familiar with the common desert shooting areas that are frequently mentioned in this forum.

    But it sure appears there is much of Clark County where shooting is prohibited by either county, city or feds.

    http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gisplo...alfirearms.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by varminter22 View Post
    I think reference being made to:



    Being from the north, I'm not familiar with the common desert shooting areas that are frequently mentioned in this forum.

    But it sure appears there is much of Clark County where shooting is prohibited by either county, city or feds.

    http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gisplo...alfirearms.pdf

    I live 40 mins from the county range. I am not out in the wilderness mind you. I am close to summerlin, but by the time I drive to the park it's 40 mins. On a good day. I am equally as far and closer to any number of places in the open desert to shoot. So his argument about the closing of the desert or other free land is moot. Don was a player in the county park he had and had a vested interest in it. I on the other hand as a tax payer have the same if not more interest. I pay taxes that helped build it and continue to pay them to support the money suck of a park. They are the only park that charges for use yet are still underwater . If the largest gun group in Nevada wants to make a dent this was the chance. They blew it.

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    Don's response.

    David,

    Understand. As I stated before, the more people we can get to shoot, the more support to change the law.

    Best wishes,

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    I guess I just dont get it according to the MAN. I didnt know the desert had operating hours.



    QUOTE" You just don't get that having MORE shooters makes us more influencial. 47% of Clark County owns guns and had no public place to shoot. The desert was closed. A hour wait at the public range shows how many people use it. The county management didn't want to have the range, the PUBLIC demanded it. If you had your way there would be no public range and the county would be happy not having a range to deal with. We need more shooters, more shooters means more people concerned about their rights, more people concerned means more pressure to change the laws, more pressure means the laws will get changed. Pretty simple to me.

    Anyways, for the rest of the members, we are having our first annual meeting at the Clark County Shooting Complex. We have a very critical legislative year, so please stay connected, sharpen your pencils (power up your keyboards) and let's make a difference with out gun laws this year!"
    Unfortunately Don does not understand that it is not the number of people who shoot firearms that really count. It is the number of them who raise their voice. NVFAC can't speak for all firearms owners, only those who are members. Things like supporting Clark County by utilizing its shooting park keeps people from joining. Further, money talks, loudly. If the park is failing, and the county has to continually dump millions into it, people, not just shooters, are going to call them on the carpet for it.

    People own firearms for many reasons and I'm guessing that only a small percentage even shoot on any kind of a regular basis. Of those that do, only a very small percentage would utilize that range even without issues being involved. The need for the NVFAC to support Clark County in order to grow really is a non-issue. We don't need them, they need us.

    For those of you up in the big end who are wondering why this issue would be important to you, consider this. If we don’t find a way to stand together, the question of whether we can repeal the Clark County registration is moot. We are going to be damn lucky if we can prevent the state from imposing it on every other part of Nevada.

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    My reply to Don's response above:

    Don,

    I apologize for not understanding, Is it possible that you explained to someone else?

    Here are some questions I have, I do not expect you you answer to me, but as the President of NVFAC, you do owe it the gun owners of this state, to at least think very hard and truthfully about the answers to these.

    How many shooters must be recruited in your estimation, to eliminate the CCGR (Clark County Gun Registry?)

    Is there a Covert plan to take down CCGR by supporting financially the very entity doing the registering? If so can I get in on the planning?

    Are there other ways to reach shooters, without supporting the single entity in the State who registers lawfully owned handguns, and the citizens who own them?

    What do I say to recruit my friend Michael who was taken to jail for a lawfully registered handgun, to get him to support CCSC and CCGR.

    What benefit does the NVFAC obtain, by driving business to the draconian CCSC, and away from "We the People" inspired facility's?

    How does the success of the CCSC benefit the liberty of gun owners?

    How is the CCSC not a socialist entity?

    Don I have watched in Horror the NVFAC make choice after choice, that conflicts with the liberty minded gun owner. I do not see how the NVFAC has been a net positive for gun owners. I witness a "self claimed" gun rights organization partners with an entity who registers firearms. NVFAC has a VP Bob Irwin misinforming gun owners through his instructors at The Gun Store. Several of us have brought these issues up to him on many occasions and he has never fixed them. VP Irwin is no ambassador himself, with his careless statements made. I know the media mixes words. I was taken out of context Friday evening by channel 8, But over and over again?

    Don, as a gun owner of this State I ask you to reevaluate your self imposed position, and take NVFAC in the direction of safety,training, and sports related activity's and away from Inalienable rights, until such a time the NVFAC can do justice to the very rights I am prepared to give my life for.

    There was a time when you could just start a rights Org. about anything you wanted. Those days are over Don. people are not as dis concerned as they were years back.

    If you would like to learn more about rights and how they affect our daily lives, I would be happy to help.

    Bob Irwin Quote of the week: "Gun Store owner Bob Irwin said he supports background checks for all gun sales, provided they don't come with a cost. He rejected the idea that private sales somehow promote violence."

    Source:http://www.8newsnow.com/story/210780...ming-criminals


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    Don's Response:

    David,



    This response no way attempts to criticize nor down play your position on this subject. The registration program is a blatant affront to every good citizen and needs to be eliminated as soon as possible.



    This response is about strategy to accomplish that. There is nothing I can say that will change your position or opinion. So I would just like to make a couple of points about the gun registration program (blue card) and the use of Clark County Shooting Complex.



    The registration program has been in place since 1948. Obviously a boycott of the county range has had no impact on the county. It is ok to boycott things, one would hope it would force change, and one must follow one’s conscience.



    Let’s just consider the boycott as a mechanism to make change. The range wasn’t built with county general funds, it is not operated with county general funds. It is an enterprise fund and the monies necessary to build it came from federal grants which were going to be expended in Clark County for other purposes anyways. Every bullet you buy and every firearm you buy has an 11% federal tax (Pittman Robertson Fund) that goes to the states to provide hunting and shooting opportunities. Some of these funds were used for the shooting range. If our tax monies are used to buy and operate public recreational facilities, we should get some of our money back. Public ranges directly return the monies back to the people who pay the PR tax. The county range does not enforce nor check the blue cards. No police officers are even assigned to the range and even the parks police do not patrol it. Open carry is not banned in the shooting park. As a matter of fact, according to shooting park regulations, all other park regulations are void at the shooting park.



    The county closed the desert to shooting. The private gun clubs are mostly limited in the amount of shooting services they can provide, and commercial shooting ranges are too expensive for the average citizen. One way to eliminate guns is to take away the opportunity to use them, demand then drops and fewer people shoot. With public ranges, more people shoot. The more people shoot, the more people will buy handguns. There are then more people that will be motivated to terminate the registration program. The government answers to money and public outrage. Outrage is determined by volume of letters, emails and phone calls.



    The county management didn’t want a shooting range, and still doesn’t. The shooters “we the people” demanded it and the commission went along with it. Some of our local “gun community” businessmen (you know who they are) lobbied to stop the project several times. It was citizen demanded. The county would be more than happy to close the range. When that happens, the range reverts to the federal government and they will sell it for homes and the county and city will get MORE tax revenue from the developers.



    So if your boycott were successful, the county range would close and there would be houses there. There would still be a blue card program as the Sheriff’s monies do not come from the funds used to build and operate the range.



    The county and city assets that we all use are everywhere. You use county, NLV, Henderson, and LV roads to drive on all the time, yet these are all provided by government agencies that support the blue card, do you boycott the roads? I had occasion to see you at the Cashman Center during a gun show. That is a LV government agency funded and operated facility-that supports handgun registration by law, yet you don’t boycott that. If one of your family members were hurt or your house was on fire would you deny fire or EMS services for your family or property? Yet they are also government services from the government agency you are boycotting. It appears then that your boycott is just reserved for the only place where we may have a hope of expanding our power base. With the help of a lot of people we have gathered over 2,000 signatures to end the registration program. These will be presented at the right time and place to have a major impact on the program. Hopefully there will be a large number of people to show support for elimination of the program.



    A case in point. In 2007 we had a state hearing on the revision of the pre-emption law. We had people in place in Carson City to eliminate the program, the state rifle and pistol association wouldn’t take a stand. ONLY 10 PEOPLE SHOWED UP the public hearing to protest the blue card. TEN is all. After we started NVFAC, several months ago, Horne proposed an assault weapon ban. Over 100 people showed up to testify, and it was dropped from consideration. So yes we (the shooting community) is recruiting more shooters and they are making a difference. As we continue to get more shooters, more things positive will happen. I was involved with the AZ State Association and saw this happen in the Phoenix area when the Ben Avery Shooting Facility went from 47,000 annual shooters to 198,000 annual shooters. AZ has one of the best gun climates in the western states.



    As far as your other comments. They are being reviewed and carefully considered for correction. That is all I will say at this time.



    We both have the same goal, but different strategies to achieve them. We need numbers large numbers of people willing to step forward and write letters and testify, LOTS of them.



    Hope this explanation clearly articulates the strategy on this issue.



    Make plans fit the circumstances, not the circumstances fit the plan.

    General George Patton





    Best wishes,

    This was not snippy and while I contest some small item's This is what i have been looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don's Response
    ...The county closed the desert to shooting. ...
    Is this accurate?
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    Is this accurate?
    Maybe some county owned land? I know the blm has closures but those are close to town. Of course if someone wants to defend the shooting park they would say anything I guess.

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