They introduced "THE" bill.

No matter what happens with HB 997. I want to introduce a new bill to extend the already allowable open carry conditions of hunting, fishing, and trapping. I'd like to also include " any lawful purpose ". I would not try for preemption statewide. I think this is reasonable, and would only need a FOID card. Especially outside of home rule communities.

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RANDYT said:

Illiinoiscarry.com is asking that specifics of the bill not be discussed opening on the forums, due to the mining of information by the anti's. The Mods on other sites are removing post with specific's from the bill and as a member of Illinoiscarry.com would ask the Moderators to do the same here.

We don't want to give the Anti's anymore ammunition that what they can gleam from reading the bill themselves.

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Um, you do realize how silly that is when the bill is posted in the open on the State's own website right? There are also very likely to be other official sources of the information that are going to be in the open and with more specifics than the summary.

REALteach4u said:

Um, you do realize how silly that is when the bill is posted in the open on the State's own website right? There are also very likely to be other official sources of the information that are going to be in the open and with more specifics than the summary.

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the anti's can read the entire bill for themselves. Illinoiscarry just doesn't want people saying that this specific language actually means this. Illinoiscarry has had problems in the past when somebody on the forum said something about a proposed bill and the anti's thought it meant something else, but told them what it actually meant.

Any post that show specifics in the carry bill are quickly removed from the Illinoiscarry.com website, and all specifics have to be discussed in Private Messages.

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the anti's can read the entire bill for themselves. Illinoiscarry just doesn't want people saying that this specific language actually means this. Illinoiscarry has had problems in the past when somebody on the forum said something about a proposed bill and the anti's thought it meant something else, but told them what it actually meant.

Any post that show specifics in the carry bill are quickly removed from the Illinoiscarry.com website, and all specifics have to be discussed in Private Messages.

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Demonstrating the more open advantage of this website.


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Originally Posted by RANDYT

the anti's can read the entire bill for themselves. Illinoiscarry just doesn't want people saying that this specific language actually means this. Illinoiscarry has had problems in the past when somebody on the forum said something about a proposed bill and the anti's thought it meant something else, but told them what it actually meant.

Any post that show specifics in the carry bill are quickly removed from the Illinoiscarry.com website, and all specifics have to be discussed in Private Messages.

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kurt555gs said:

Demonstrating the more open advantage of this website.

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Which IMO clearly shows the intent/desire of the site owners to allow open discussion, desenting views, both sides of an issue to be discussed.

WalkingWolf said:

Any bill passed should have constitutional open carry. Open carry should not be tied to concealed carry privilege cards.

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Wouldn't that be more than just a bill?

Keep the Faith!

davidmcbeth said:

Wouldn't that be more than just a bill?

Keep the Faith!

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The RKBA is already present, the bill/law only needs to recognize and affirm that right.

prohibited carry in: general assembly, courthouse,[strike] meeting of gov't body, bar,[/strike] secure area of airport,[strike] child care facility, casino, amusement park, sporting event,[/strike] residential psych facility, jail

prohibited carry in: [strike] schools, colleges, libraries,[/strike] and LEO station (though authorities may give consent, and must inform LEO of that consent)

municipalities may NOT prohibit in their buildings [strike]EXCEPT: rest stops, rest rooms, public housing, parking facility [/strike]

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Fixed it for you....

HB0997 will pass

I'm new here, but I've been active on Illinoiscarry.com since November and have been following this progress very closely. HB0997 is likely to pass. It has overwhelming support in sponsors and co-sponsors, on both sides of the isle. Madigan's request for en banc (a re-hearing by the full 7th) has seemed to fall on deaf ears (we could wait forever for a response, but they have not officially agreed to her request, so chances are they won't hear it). There have been some other bills introduced by anti-gun people, but they lack sponsorship and everyone knows the only bill being taken seriously is 0997. The good people at illinoiscarry.com are well organized, morale is high and the momentum is practically unstoppable at this point.

If no bill is passed, IL gets constitutional carry. There is enough support in the legislature to kill any anti bills, and there are enough votes to pass HB0997 with state-wide preemption. It's simply a matter of keeping up the pressure and dealing with the dying anti's efforts to delay the process.

As for compromise, there really is very little compromise in this bill. The NRA rep who has been leading the fight on this issue is a take no prisoners kind of guy, and he knows the cards are all in our favor now.

The house had hearings today on gun safety and concealed carry, and the Cook County States Attorney representative actually told the committee, that the 7th CA opinion isn't binding on the state of Illinois, and only the Illinois Supreme Court can overturn a state law.

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The house had hearings today on gun safety and concealed carry, and the Cook County States Attorney representative actually told the committee, that the 7th CA opinion isn't binding on the state of Illinois, and only the Illinois Supreme Court can overturn a state law.

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Cook county is it's own country.

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SimbaLion said:

HB0997 is likely to pass.

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That is unfortunate. I wasn't terribly impressed when I read the bill. Especially considering the unique opportunity Illinois has.

Given the court order, it could have easily had specific open carry.

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Allowing FOID carry is not in the cards. The lawsuit was against just the UUW&AUUW statute. There are other statutes that affect carry. Giving you guys even more of a hint would tip off the anti-gunners.

The Chicago carry ban is not litigated in this case. The carry bans of the cities are not being litigated in the Moore case, either. If you don't have preemption, every public transit agency will ban guns under pain of criminal law, making it a 2 day a week right (folks who carry into businesses with rules against carry will just ignore the rule and just carry, considering the criminal element there).

We need carry preemption for handguns, for both possession & carry.

This bill does what it needs to do.

HB997 should be passed

Hb997 is a very clear and well written bill designed to fix many issues concerning concealed carry with language that isn't vague or un-ambiguous. Every phrase will not have to be litigated to death. For once, Mr Peterson and I agree on something. Get this bill passed, then deal with other issues like pure open carry in a separate law where we don't have to fight the Chicago machine. It's a good bill for Illinois.

kurt555gs said:

Hb997 is a very clear and well written bill designed to fix many issues concerning concealed carry with language that isn't vague or un-ambiguous. Every phrase will not have to be litigated to death. For once, Mr Peterson and I agree on something. Get this bill passed, then deal with other issues like pure open carry in a separate law where we don't have to fight the Chicago machine. It's a good bill for Illinois.

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Coming from someone fighting for OC in my home state, please don't compromise in yours. You have a unique opportunity here. Honestly, HB997 is mediocre at best.

Oramac said:

Coming from someone fighting for OC in my home state, please don't compromise in yours. You have a unique opportunity here. Honestly, HB997 is mediocre at best.

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I agree with you. I know the result of concealed carry only states like TX, and FL. I am a very avid open carry supporter. But Illinois law on firearms is so convoluted and complex. HB997 addresses many issues that Chicago will seek to make an end run around. If we are going to include Chicago in a carry law, we need the comprises in this bill. It may be a bad law for somewhere else, but it's needed in Illinois.

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Oramac said:

Coming from someone fighting for OC in my home state, please don't compromise in yours. You have a unique opportunity here. Honestly, HB997 is mediocre at best.

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Couldn't agree more, it is important to establish Open Carry as a right seperate from permission/privilege cards. If you go down that road you will most likely be stuck with it for decades. You(Illinois pro gun) hold the cards, get everything, absolutely everything in your favor before settling.

WalkingWolf said:

Couldn't agree more, it is important to establish Open Carry as a right seperate from permission/privilege cards. If you go down that road you will most likely be stuck with it for decades. You(Illinois pro gun) hold the cards, get everything, absolutely everything in your favor before settling.

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I wish we could. I pushed the issue of open carry on " the website that shall not be named " to the point of being banished. I wish the folks driving this mule were supporters of open carry like I am. They're not.

Besides open carry, Illinois has so many stumbling blocks to any form of carry that just letting the clock run out is not the best option in my opinion. We should pass HB997. Even knowing the consequences to open carry. It's needed as a foundation of " privilege " to build a case for " rights " here, as backwards as that sounds. This is Illinois. Chicago rules the state. Without HB 997, we would end up with something even worse.

I actually think Open Carry should be addressed in separate legislation, not tied to two permission slips, but just the FOID card. I just hope that once HB997 has passed, the concealed only crowd that has been fighting open carry will relax since they got what they want, and allow an open carry bill to pass. I hope. I'm not optimistic. But I can hope.

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I wish we could. I pushed the issue of open carry on " the website that shall not be named " to the point of being banished. I wish the folks driving this mule were supporters of open carry like I am. They're not.

Besides open carry, Illinois has so many stumbling blocks to any form of carry that just letting the clock run out is not the best option in my opinion. We should pass HB997. Even knowing the consequences to open carry. It's needed as a foundation of " privilege " to build a case for " rights " here, as backwards as that sounds. This is Illinois. Chicago rules the state. Without HB 997, we would end up with something even worse.

I actually think Open Carry should be addressed in separate legislation, not tied to two permission slips, but just the FOID card. I just hope that once HB997 has passed, the concealed only crowd that has been fighting open carry will relax since they got what they want, and allow an open carry bill to pass. I hope. I'm not optimistic. But I can hope.

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Start a open carry organization on your own, contact your representatives. The kewl thing is, if no bill is passed YOU will get open carry. I am not surprised the privilege people are fighting it, they always have had a hatred for OC, not sure why, can only guess. One of the problems I have with privilege cards is when someone really needs to carry because of circumstances they are left unarmed for months. At least here a lady being harassed can put on a gun anytime she likes, for now, GRNC is trying to link OC to CC unfortunately.

I think in part some of the problem is with NRA, they also try to link OC to privilege cards.