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    Hb 1588

    More "feel good" stuff with no teeth. If you are a gunsmith you fall into the dealer coulmn, if you have a C&R / CPL your SOL.

    Now you will have to pay a fee to exercise your right as a private seller. ??????

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1588

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    Hb 1588

    This would effectively enhance the non existent registration in the state since we know the DOL keeps a record of every transaction.
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    $$$

    I am opposed to this legislation....somewhere along the line, the "close the gun show" loop hole has transitioned to this. I heard it in the testimony given at the national level by Gabby's husband...when he said the "private sale loophole"....all the while saying that they support 2A, are gun owners, hunters and recreational shooters....and some "fee" to be determined. Scope this on a national level and how much does that add up to?

    Taking away our rights and getting us to pay for it....how stinkin' cool is that....you gotta love politicians.

    There is a new tool on the WA legislative website to voice your opinion on any bill without having to contact the sponsor directly, who may or may not share the information.

    It appears to be a bit of a "polling" tool and allows for anyone to offer opinion. I don't know how they will characterize the information, but it appears to be more in the sun and less of a burden to migrate through to offer a legislator your comments. I have used it, and it is pretty straight forward.. Opposed, Neutral, For are the choices along with a window for your detail comments....

    https://washingtonleg.granicusideas....tems/HB%201588
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    Hopefully the comment actually goes somewhere (I'm going to follow up with e-mail.) Here's what I wrote:

    I oppose this bill. Universal background checks will do nothing to prevent crime. Criminals who want a gun will use a straw buyer, steal firearms, or buy from other criminals. The "gun show loophole" is VASTLY overstated. Only 1.9% of firearms used in crimes were originally bought at gun shows. I don't know of any gun shows in Washington that don't require you to be a member with a background check. Look at current advertisements on forums such as waguns.org, nearly every single ad requires a CPL (Concealed Pistol License) to be shown. A background check was conducted when the user received their background check, that should be good enough. We should instead work on making penalties for using firearms in crimes higher (or just better enforcement of current penalties), and put offenders in REAL jails (less TV, more heavy labor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeith5 View Post
    Hopefully the comment actually goes somewhere (I'm going to follow up with e-mail.) Here's what I wrote:

    I oppose this bill. Universal background checks will do nothing to prevent crime. Criminals who want a gun will use a straw buyer, steal firearms, or buy from other criminals. The "gun show loophole" is VASTLY overstated. Only 1.9% of firearms used in crimes were originally bought at gun shows. I don't know of any gun shows in Washington that don't require you to be a member with a background check. Look at current advertisements on forums such as waguns.org, nearly every single ad requires a CPL (Concealed Pistol License) to be shown. A background check was conducted when the user received their background check, that should be good enough. We should instead work on making penalties for using firearms in crimes higher (or just better enforcement of current penalties), and put offenders in REAL jails (less TV, more heavy labor).
    Read the bill.....

    It's not about gun shows...it's about ALL private sales....
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    Re: Hb 1588

    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    Read the bill.....

    It's not about gun shows...it's about ALL private sales....
    I read the bill, try reading my statement again. I don't just talk about gun shows...

    I completely understand this is for all private sales and sent a more in depth letter to my reps.

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