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    Wilber , say it isn't so -- horsey meat in Burger King burgers

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2JgcPAI3e

    The contaminated burgers were made by the Irish-based processing company, Silvercrest, which is part the ABP Foods Group.


    HA the Irish got 'em. I hope all of the UK sinks ... anti-gunners messing with the US.


    http://www.ydr.com/local/ci_22457374...-final-tribute

    A related story? hummm
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    They eat horsemeat there anyways. It's similar to if chicken somehow got mixed in with beef here.

    As far as the related article, at least they didn't make hamburgers out of David.
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    Surprised they aren't focusing on the pork with all the Muslims.

    Aldi said a sample of its frozen Oakhurst Beefburgers showed up positive for 0.1per cent horse DNA, while its Oakhurst Beef Quarter Pounders were 0.1per cent equine and 0.1per cent pork.
    I think with such low levels all they would need is the following disclosure;

    processed in a facility that also processes other meats, may contain traces of equine and pork.
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    Now if was was pro-gun control people meat .. I would be eating there every day ...

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    Eeeeeew.

    *Patiently waiting for someone to comment about how your post casts us all in negative light and the anti's will say we're all canibals.*
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    D'ya know the going rate/kilo of horse meat these days??
    It ain't like there are herds n herds of horses being raised.

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    Wilber , say it isn't so -- horsey meat in Burger King burgers

    Horse bacon!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    D'ya know the going rate/kilo of horse meat these days??
    It ain't like there are herds n herds of horses being raised.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/op...9773.html?_r=0

    My poor research shows prices to range from 25 to 35 cents per pound wholesale. I don't know how that compares to beef.

    $4.18 CAN // $4.19 USD Per LBS is the cheapest I found at IGA. I didn't check other stores.

    http://magasin.iga.net/Browse/Meat/M...b=&s=&os=&t=25

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/op...9773.html?_r=0

    My poor research shows prices to range from 25 to 35 cents per pound wholesale. I don't know how that compares to beef.
    Hey, in France they have to put out a mounted horse head cast to legally sell horse meat ... at least that's what was said on a Storage Wars episode...and the wifey thinks I waste my time watchin' that show.

    An I'll accept your poor R&D, 'cause I'm lazy ... and I don't want to say "source?", "cite", "prove it" etc....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    As far as I know there is nothing wrong with eating horse meat.
    Unless it is presented as something else. Then that presentation is criminal fraud.

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    It is popular in many European countries, I have had it a time or ten, and it’s good and healthier than farm raised cattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Not if its within a certain percentage.
    Meat is regulated here by the US Dept. of Agriculture. They do not have allowances for "processing aids" or "insignificant amounts". Everything must be shown on the label.

    The FDA has different rules...

    I don't recall..but was it in the US that they found horsey meat? I thought it was the UK, which has rules of their own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Not if its within a certain percentage.
    Yeah. That added to the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Meat is regulated here by the US Dept. of Agriculture. They do not have allowances for "processing aids" or "insignificant amounts". Everything must be shown on the label.

    The FDA has different rules...

    I don't recall..but was it in the US that they found horsey meat? I thought it was the UK, which has rules of their own
    Then why is the ammonia used in "pink slime" exempt from labeling? In my opinion .01 % is not an ingredient but a contaminate.

    http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/...EGS&navtype=RT

    http://www.fda.gov/food/guidancecomp.../ucm056174.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    Then why is the ammonia used in "pink slime" exempt from labeling? In my opinion .01 % is not an ingredient but a contaminate.

    http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/...EGS&navtype=RT

    http://www.fda.gov/food/guidancecomp.../ucm056174.htm
    I am aware of this & the full background ... the ammonia is technically a COLORANT because it adds/changes color to the product (would be a different color w/o it). IMO

    The FDA got this one wrong IMO.

    I've had this conversation with employers a zillion times about other additives that generally are not colorants (like acids/bases) but then switch into being colorants because of their effect on other materials that are sensitive to the compounds...changing the color of the product.

    The government reached their conclusion through a very torturous path .. and that's a ding ding ding sign...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I am aware of this & the full background ... the ammonia is technically a COLORANT because it adds/changes color to the product (would be a different color w/o it). IMO

    The FDA got this one wrong IMO.

    I've had this conversation with employers a zillion times about other additives that generally are not colorants (like acids/bases) but then switch into being colorants because of their effect on other materials that are sensitive to the compounds...changing the color of the product.

    The government reached their conclusion through a very torturous path .. and that's a ding ding ding sign...
    Wrong again.

    Carbon monoxide is a colorant (pigment fixer). Ammonium hydroxide is a sanitizer (process aid).

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8331B420120404

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021901101.html
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    I notice that one person in this conversation is providing citations. The other mentions talking to folks zillions of times.

    On OCDO, we cite to authority. It is actually a rule here. Talking through one's hat does not go down well on OCDO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    Wrong again.

    Carbon monoxide is a colorant (pigment fixer). Ammonium hydroxide is a sanitizer (process aid).

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8331B420120404

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021901101.html
    Color Additive - A color additive is a dye, pigment or other substance, which is capable of imparting color when added or applied to a food, drug, cosmetic, or to the human body. The legal definition can be found in Section 201(t) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) and provides exclusions as well. Color additives for use in food, drugs, and cosmetics require premarket approval. Color additives for use in or on a medical device are subject to premarket approval, if the color additive comes in direct contact with the body for a significant period of time. For additional information, consult the Color Additive Program on the CFSAN Internet.

    You may wish to spend some time at the FDA website to gain further knowledge...its a fun subject and can be confusing
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    Now its Donkey meat? Even more yummy


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