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    Events like this make it harder to OC.

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    The man who was killed Sunday by two Dayton police sergeants was pointing a rifle at one sergeant and ignored repeated orders to put the weapon down, according to in-car camera video and audio released Monday by police.
    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...le-park/nWLQX/

    Not justifying how police often misreact to OC, this kind of event may contribute to their mindset.

    Reasonable officers will understand the significance of the difference between 911 calls about nutjobs like this one and those about folks walking around with a properly holstered handgun.

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    Events like this make it harder to OC.

    Another law breaking gun owner.

    Tongue in cheek of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
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    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...le-park/nWLQX/

    Not justifying how police often misreact to OC, this kind of event may contribute to their mindset.

    Reasonable officers will understand the significance of the difference between 911 calls about nutjobs like this one and those about folks walking around with a properly holstered handgun.
    Seems to me you are contradicting yourself.

    Either events like this cause cops to be so jumpy that they react to any presence of a gun as being a lethal threat, or cops can differentiate between the lawful carry of firearms and the overt threat of a firearm pointed at them. If the former is creating a mindset of "haz gun = shoot it!" then there is no room for the latter. If that sort of mindset is taking root there are a lot of folks who are in the wrong line of work and need to find employment elsewhere. Life itself is a risk, but there are levels of risk and a one-response-fits-all attitude does nothing to serve nor to protect.

    Since most cops, in spite of many having a Superman complex (show up in the nick of time and save the world), do not yet have xray vision. They cannot tell that the gun is or is not loaded. From the video it is just about impossible to see what happened or just how long they waited for him to drop the rifle before opening fire. I also could not determine if he was pointing the rifle at them when they rolled up on scene or if he turned towards them after they souted for him to drop the weapon. ll of these are issues that need to be analyzed before any conclusions can be drawn about the contribution of this event to the mindset of police.

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    Note the position of the word "reasonable." Not all officers are reasonable. As a matter of fact, reasonability is a continuum, not a binary variable.

    Reasonable officers will immediately see the difference. Most--make that many--won't. 911 operators don't seem to make the distinction, probably due to bad information from callers.

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